This bill makes North Carolinians less safe and undermines responsible gun ownership. Therefore, I am vetoing it. The bill eliminates training requirements associated with concealed carry permits and reduces the age to carry a concealed weapon from 21 to 18 years old. Authorizing teenagers to carry a concealed weapon with no training whatsoever is dangerous. The bill would also make the job of a law enforcement officer more difficult and less safe. We can and should protect the right to bear arms without recklessly endangering law enforcement officers and our people.
— NC Gov. Josh Stein’s constitutional carry bill veto statement
Dem Gov VETOES Constitutional Carry… We MUST Override It To Defeat Them AGAIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoofA2Xi7I
It’s too bad that Mark Robinson didn’t understand how the internet works. I had high hopes for him.
“This bill makes North Carolinians less safe and undermines responsible gun ownership. Therefore, I am vetoing it. The bill eliminates training requirements associated with concealed carry permits and reduces the age to carry a concealed weapon from 21 to 18 years old. Authorizing teenagers to carry a concealed weapon with no training whatsoever is dangerous. The bill would also make the job of a law enforcement officer more difficult and less safe. We can and should protect the right to bear arms without recklessly endangering law enforcement officers and our people.”
BS, all the anti-gun talking points here. Its not about 18 year olds, vetoing the bill keeps the ‘training requirements’ intact for those who are older than 18, in other words everyone in the state. This is yet another anti-gun ‘control’ talking point. Would he have vetoed a bill that simply removed the ‘training requirements’ but not wanted to lower the age to 18? Yes, he most likely would have. Anti-gun interests got to this governor.
Now, maybe he does have some genuine concern as that’s possible. But, there needs to be a valid basis upon which to deny the exercise of a constitutional right, and the excuses here, are all typical anti-gun talking points intended to make people jump to ’emotionally based judgement’ is wayyyy out of line and not valid. 18 year olds everyday in his state and around the country make good decision-making, planning, prioritizing, and sound judgments decisions every day thousand of times a day, and even decisions for life-and-death.
… at 18 join the military, get a drivers license at age 16 to operate a car in public spaces, vote at age 18 (however, some states permit 17-year-olds to vote in primary elections if they will turn 18 by the time of the subsequent general election), enter into contracts at age 18. And left wing ‘interests’ (especially LGBTQ++++ and the drug legalization crowd) and Democrat politicians have been trying for a long time to get the voting age lowered to 16 arguing that 16 year olds are capable of mature decision-making, planning, prioritizing, and making sound judgments, the minimum age to become a police officer in the United States typically ranges from 18 to 21 years old (depending on the state and specific department requirements). There are age 18 employees of the state of North Carolina, and North Carolina doesn’t prohibit 18 year olds from working without training in occupations that can make the public less safe. And the list goes on and on…. all this by 18 year olds exercising “decision-making, planning, prioritizing, and sound judgments”. But an 18 year old exercising a constitutional right suddenly its all sorts of excuses to deny them. This veto was about government-control and not the anti-gun stuff the governor spewed.
It simply has not been evidenced that 18 year olds exercising the 2A does any of that. Sure, there might be an incident here are there just like there are for any age group for just about a little of everything with anything – accidents and bad decision/judgement calls happen, but its not evidence that supports the anti-gun stuff in the governors statements as a reason to deny exercise of a constitutional right to law abiding non-prohibited citizens. If we are going to allow such non-evidenced broad generalized assertions for a constitutional right then lets not, for example, let 18 year olds vote or exercise the first amendment.
Its insane to basically say ’18 year olds are not part of the ‘people’ in the second amendment’ (which is basically what this is when you deny exercise of the right to 18 year olds – it just another way of saying it) – yet, tell those 18 year olds they are adults and can do all this adult stuff…. are they part of ‘the people’ when you want them to vote for you governor?
“18 join the military“
We’ve been through this before, and you continue to ignore reality.
Recruits in the Armed Forces receive weeks of intense classroom and hands-on training with firearms by professional instructors with years of experience before they are authorized to carry weapons, and then only under strictly controlled conditions with a chain of command that supervises their every move 24/7. No one is allowed to keep private firearms in the barracks or dorms, recruits do not have access to weapons except by direct authorization of their superiors.
To compare that with permit-less carry with the only qualification ‘can you acquire a gun’, the only rules are ‘stick it in your pocket’, is intellectually dishonest.
So, how do you like “No more forever wars” Donald Trump‘s unprovoked attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities?
Bull shit. The weapons training in basic training is a joke. Consists of the basic 4 rules, and some marksmanship basics. I got more training from my old man than I got in the Army
Yes, we have been through this numerous times. Your version of human and civil rights is that .gov has all the rights to regulate them. How are they rights again? Oh, yes, they aren’t.
I was just in a discussion with a young ‘liberal’ a few days ago. She had a desire to institute some form of literacy test requirement for voting after this last election.
When I pointed out that was fascism she got angry with me. She seems a bit like you, miner/missy.
“We’ve been through this before, and you continue to ignore reality.”
First, do not include me in your “we”.
And, you continue to ignore reality and context.
“So, how do you like “No more forever wars” Donald Trump‘s unprovoked attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities?”
Liar.
there were no ‘unprovoked attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities’
1. We’ve been at war with Iran for 46 years. It started with a weak Democrat president called Jimmy Carter. At war for generations already because Jimmy Carter was too weak of a president to stand up to the ‘new Islamic Republic’.
On Nov. 4, 1979, less than two weeks after the constitution of the new Islamic Republic was adopted, a group calling itself Muslim Students Following the Imam’s Line (that is, the Ayatollah Khomeini’s line) entered the U.S. Embassy compound in Tehran and took hostage the skeleton staff of sixty-six that was still serving there after the fall of the Shah – thus attacked the United States (the embassy was, under international law, United States soil) and by doing such declared war on the United States. And over this 46 years Iran has carried out numerous act-of-war attacks on the United States by attacking our citizens and military, and our allies, either directly or through one of their groups.
2. Iran’s nuclear ambitions have been an open secret for years, a nuclear armed Iran would be a catastrophe not just for the Middle East but for the entire world. More recently Iran threatened to use a nuclear weapon against the U.S. or our allies and every indication is they have the enriched uranium, they have even bragged about it, to build such a weapon at the sites that Trump targeted and were at most just a few weeks away from having maybe up to six nuclear weapons (depending on how they went about building them – building a single basic missile deliverable nuclear weapon is within their ability within a 3 day window) and they have a missile delivery system they could use to strike most places into the middle east, and out troops and embassies in the middle east and out allies, even into Russia. Iran has for the last 46 years been an ‘imminent’ threat either directly or through their proxies and we handled it at ‘basically arms’ reach when we did something in the past without really confronting it, now they are a very much present ‘imminent’ with their nuclear weapon threats and capability.
Iran is a hostile regime that has repeatedly threatened its neighbors, sponsored terrorism, and openly called for the destruction of Israel and the United States and slaughter of American citizens and citizens of our allies, and waged war against the United States and our allies for the last 46 years, and is threatening to use nuclear weapons now. Allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon is not just naïve – it’s suicidal.
Trump did not need Congress permission either.
Democrat presidents have a long history of launching military strikes without seeking congressional approval. Bill Clinton ordered bombing campaigns in Kosovo, Sudan, and Afghanistan. Barack Obama led the disastrous intervention in Libya. Joe Biden launched airstrikes in Syria in 2021 and his blatant “wag the dog” operation in Yemen in 2024 (to get a ‘forever war’ started). All of these actions were justified under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, which grants the president authority as commander-in-chief to take limited military action without a congressional vote – Democrats never said a word about impeaching any of these Democrat presidents. Trump took limited military action The Constitution doesn’t say that only Democrat presidents can do this while Republican presidents need permission from Congress. It was constitutional when the Democrats did it and no calls for impeachment, but when Trump does it to stop a genuine threat to the U.S. and our citizens and basically the world and all the Democrats want to do is scream “Impeach Trump!” knowing they actually can’t and do not have the grounds for such. Its the democrats playing political theater and lying to the American people once again, and here you are helping propagate the lie Miner49er.
There comes a time when talking nice and being diplomatic and saying “pretty please’ no longer works – there comes a time when the threat lets you know in unmistakable terms their goal is to kill you and are going to kill you. That time came and President Trump did what was necessary to stop the threat. The Democrats are morons taking advantage of a serious situation and Trump saving us and the world from the mentally ill Iran that wants to slaughter us with a nuclear weapon and the Democrats play political theater and once again try to deceive the American public.
And that’s a strange point Miner49er. Here you are trying to push the anti-gun agenda with your BS about training and permits for 18 year olds and taking what I posted out of context to continue your insane arguments – yet here you are siding with Iran mental illness horror wanting to slaughter us with a nuclear weapon and that’s alright with you because you can TDS another lie that Trump conducted ‘unprovoked attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities’.
You evidently need a normal reality dictionary to understand what the word ‘provoked’ means, because the definition is obviously not in your left wing mental illness dictionary.
Would you rather the guy in front of someone with the knife stab telling them hes about to stab them to death go ahead and stab them to death before they react to stop it? Would it be ok with you if that victim used a gun to stop that imminent threat and thus lived, but did not have your favorite state mandated training and permit? Oh, but your BS screams it would not be OK with you unless that person had already had ‘training’ and had a permit.
Well, Iran is right there, an imminent threat, with a nuclear weapon or could have one definitely within a few days, and is threatening to use it and says they are going to use it to kill, so yeah, I’m kinda for stopping that threat. That is obviously not OK with you that we would spare us and others from being slaughtered by a nuclear weapon in the hands of mentally ill fanatics you are obviously in love with – but thankfully we do not need your permission or your mentally ill BS trolling posts to exercise a natural right to self-defense. So here you are Miner49er. once again expressing your mental illness in common anti-gun sentiment and that being you would rather see people killed than for those victims to defend themselves or be defended.
There comes a time when talking nice and being diplomatic and saying “pretty please’ no longer works – there comes a time when the threat lets you know in unmistakable terms their goal is to kill you and are going to kill you. That time came and President Trump did what was necessary to stop the threat to protect the American people – that’s his job, that’s what the Constitution demands, that’s his oath, that’s [one reason] why he was elected. The only part about it I am disappointed with is that you were also spared being affected by that Iran threat by Trump stopping the threat.
Now you run along and get that training and permit so you can exercise your first amendment right.
“We’ve been through this before, and you continue to ignore reality.”
I am not your “we” do stop lying trying to make this personal.
You have never been through this before in any meaningful honest genuine manner. You are always about trolling, out of context cherry picking, disengenous, misrepresentation, lying, and spewing anti-gun garbage about ‘control’ of exercise of a constitutional right.
Miner49 – Learn what research, context, and constitutional rights are.
“Donald Trump‘s unprovoked attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities?”
You are seriously out of touch with reality and sanity.
Iran has been provoking the US for the last 46 years ever taking advantage of the weakness of democrat president Jimmy Carter. And now Iran has threatened to use a nuclear weapon against us and our allies, and have the materials and capability to build and deliver it.
Yes, that’s provoking.
Trump did what needed to be done which was destroy Irans ability to carry out their threat of slaughtering our citizens and those of our allies in the Middle east.
What would you have said if Iran did deliver their nuclear weapon and killed thousands, millions ? You would have cheered them with the same joy you are jumping to defend them with now with your mentally ill TDS.
Correction for: “…ever taking advantage …”
Should have been..
…ever since taking advantage …
Love it when you left wingers spout your nonsense to expose your lies, and hypocrisy, and ignorance, and hatred of the constitution and America, and plain out right stupid. Ya’ll did it in 2024 with your trans and child grooming and mutilation and butchery, with your cheering on and support of illegal alien human traffickers and murderers and rapist and drugs killing ~4,000 American citizens a month due to the illegal and intentional deliberately open and insecure border under the Biden-Harris ‘policy’ or having our country invaded, and putting the economy in the toilet and fraud and waste and abuse and downright basically stealing and money laundering of billions of tax payer $$$ Biden-Harris put in place and tried hiding. Trump got elected because of it, but you guys go ahead and keep it up ’cause its going to get another republican president elected next election (maybe Vance). For example…
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) claimed “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers, … He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
Rep. Sean Casten (D-Ill.) said “This is not about the merits of Iran’s nuclear program, … No president has the authority to bomb another country that does not pose an imminent threat to the US without the approval of Congress. This is an unambiguous impeachable offense.”
Both of them and the other democrats calling for impeachment – these Democrat assessments are stupid and reek of hypocrisy are willful blindness and are lies.
The reality is that Democrat presidents have a long history of launching military strikes without seeking congressional approval. Bill Clinton ordered bombing campaigns in Kosovo, Sudan, and Afghanistan. Barack Obama led the disastrous intervention in Libya. Joe Biden launched airstrikes in Syria in 2021 and his blatant “wag the dog” operation in Yemen in 2024. All of these actions were justified under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, which grants the president authority as commander-in-chief to take limited military action without a congressional vote – Democrats never said a word about impeaching any of these Democrat presidents. The Constitution doesn’t say that only Democrat presidents can do this while Republican presidents need permission from Congress. It was constitutional when the Democrats did it and no calls for impeachment, but when Trump does it to stop a genuine threat to the U.S. and our citizens and basically the world and all the Democrats want to do is scream “Impeach Trump!” knowing they actually can’t and do not have the grounds for such and Trump was acting legally and constitutionally and carried out the duty imposed on him as president.
Heck, Obama gave Iran 1.6 Billion dollars on pallets. Biden gave Iran 16 billion by unfreezing their funds. Iran put the money into their nuclear and weapons programs and funding further attacks – they used the money to buy what they needed to enrich uranium to weapons grade. Iran did a pinky swear ‘Sure Joe, we will use the money for ‘humanitarian purposes’, we promise’ and turned around and bought equipment with it for enriching uranium to weapons grade.
We have already been in a ‘generation war’ with Iran for the last 46 years ever since Iran declared war on the United States by attacking our embassy On Nov. 4, 1979 taking advantage of the weakness of Democrat president Jimmy Carter.
On Nov. 4, 1979, less than two weeks after the constitution of the new Islamic Republic was adopted, a group calling itself Muslim Students Following the Imam’s Line (that is, the Ayatollah Khomeini’s line) entered the U.S. Embassy compound in Tehran and took hostage the skeleton staff of sixty-six that was still serving there after the fall of the Shah – thus attacked the United States (the embassy was, under international law, United States soil) and by doing such declared war on the United States. And over this 46 years Iran has carried out numerous act-of-war attacks on the United States by attacking our citizens and military, and our allies, either directly or through one of their proxy groups.
Iran had reached the 60% point of enrichment needed to go further to produce 90% enriched uranium U-235 [90% is weapons grade] – from that 60% point it takes only a few days to a week to enrich to 90%. They had a quality of 90% enriched uranium U-235 already, enough to build a nuclear weapon in a very short time (2-3 days) if they had not already (although, they probably did as indications were they had retrofitted missiles for a different warhead and specifically deployed those in a position to attack Israel – and they had threaten to use a nuclear weapon soon). 90% enriched uranium only has one purpose, a nuclear weapon – 90% enriched is useless for ‘peaceful power generation’, can’t be used for that as it becomes too ‘fissionable’ unstable at 90% enrichment. Iran bragged about the capability.
Yeah, provoking Iran was for the last 46 years and even more recently with their threats to use a nuclear weapon.
There are two centuries of precedent saying what Trump did for his limited military action was constitutional and legal.
The Constitution names the president as Commander in Chief under Article II. That role gives the president lawful authority to respond to imminent threats with military force, even without a formal declaration of war. Limited military actions, short-term strikes, emergency operations, and proportional retaliation have always fallen within presidential authority without needing permission of Congress.
It is the way American presidents have operated since 1791. Throughout U.S. history, presidents have launched more than 200 military operations. Congress has issued only 11 formal war declarations.
The Supreme Court reaffirmed this authority in The Prize Cases (1863) when it ruled that Abraham Lincoln could lawfully impose a blockade during the Civil War without a declaration of war.
Modern courts have followed suit. They have repeatedly declined to strip the executive branch of its authority during unfolding crises. The courts recognize that war zones move fast. Legislatures do not.
President Trump’s decision top strike Iran complied fully with the War Powers Resolution of 1973 that permits presidents to use military force for up to 60 days before requiring formal congressional approval, as long as Congress is notified within 48 hours. The Trump administration satisfied both conditions.
Trumps actions were not ‘unprovoked’ and its a flat out lie they were.
Trumps actions were legal and constitutional and its a flat out lie the actions were not.
Trumps actions were limited military action in response to the threats by Iran to use a nuclear weapon soon, and its within their capability to have one now in (that in my other post above). This was a very precise mission designed to degrade and/or destroy three nuclear sites related to their nuclear weaponization ambitions, the very nuclear weaponziation they had threatened to use making it an imminent threat was in those three sites.
Stopping Irans provoking – Here’s How They Did It – Operation Midnight Hammer (with before and after pics high-resolution satellite imagery showing aftermath of strike on the Fordow fuel enrichment facility – their most active enrichment facility and most fortified – Iran never launched a plane or fired a shot, thanks to the softening of the targets by the Israeli bombing sorties taking out Iran’s air power.).
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/22/heres-how-they-did-it-n4941064
I think you might enjoy this beautiful video of President Donald Trump and the CEO of Exxon-Mobil performing the ‘Sword Dance of Loyalty’ with Muhammad worshipers in Saudi Arabia.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFOyCwCRTgw&pp=ygUhVHJ1bXDigJlzIHN3b3JkIGRhbmNpbmcgd2l0aCBraW5n
“1. We’ve been at war with Iran for 46 years. It started with a weak Democrat president called Jimmy Carter.“
Bullshit, we’ve been making unprovoked attacks on the nation of Iran for over 70 years.
“Learn what research is”
Yes, you should do some research on the actual facts of history.
“In 1953, the United States, with the UK’s assistance, orchestrated a coup d’état in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh. This operation, known as Operation Ajax, was motivated by concerns over Mosaddegh’s nationalization of the Iranian oil industry and the perceived threat of communist influence. The coup resulted in the restoration of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and a shift in Iran’s political landscape.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:
Nationalization of Oil:
In 1951, Mosaddegh’s government nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company,which was largely owned by Britain. This action angered the British government and led them to seek US assistance in removing Mosaddegh.”
Yep, the United States overthrew a democratically elected president and installed a king on the throne of Iran, all so Exxon-Mobil and BP could steal the oil.
America’s soldiers are just cannon fodder for Big Oil.
In fact, this most recent attack by Donald Trump was purchased by the Saudis to drive up the price of oil, they paid Donald Trump‘s son-in-law $2 billion in 2020, Trump sold out to the Muslims in Saudi Arabia. You know Saudi Arabia, those wonderful folks who killed 3000 Americans on 9/11.
Now do one about the legit art sales by hunter biden.
Even if you told the truth no one would believe you, miner/missy. How could they? You only point out the faults of one side. Never any faults of the fascist left.
No credibility.
“Now do one about the legit art sales by hunter biden.“
Right, all you have is just some vague claims, but no specifics.
If you have evidence Hunter Biden received billions of dollars from the Muslims in Middle East, please share it here.
Also, please share exactly which military actions President Biden did in return for those billions of dollars.
Yes, you should do some research on the actual facts of history Miner49er.
That BS you bring up was not declared war like Iran declared on us. Like I said …. We’ve been at war with Iran for 46 years. It started with a weak Democrat president called Jimmy Carter.
“In fact, this most recent attack by Donald Trump was purchased by the Saudis to drive up the price of oil, they paid Donald Trump‘s son-in-law $2 billion in 2020, Trump sold out to the Muslims in Saudi Arabia. You know Saudi Arabia, those wonderful folks who killed 3000 Americans on 9/11.”
Another left wing fairy tale lie. And Saudi Arabia didn’t kill “3000 Americans on 9/11”.
The September 11 attacks, also known as 9/11, were four coordinated attacks of war by al-Qaeda, a key partner of Iran and backed by Iran and facilitated by Iran, against the United States in 2001. The 9/11 Commission found that “there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers.”. A federal court in 2018 found the Islamic Republic of Iran (AKA Iran), the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran are liable for the deaths of 1,008 people whose families sued Iran for the deaths of their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks.
Evidently, you don’t even know what the word ‘Truth’ means Miner49er nor do you know what context or research means.
“That BS you bring up was not declared war like Iran declared on us“
It’s not bullshit, it’s actual historical fact that the United States and the UK orchestrated a coup to take out the democratically elected president of Iran. In anybody’s book, regime change by a foreign country is an act of war.
And it is a fact that we supported the despotic Shah of Iran for decades, as he oppressed his people and prevented their God-given rights of freedom of speech, etc. We provided both training and military support to the SAVAK, the Shah’s secret police who imprisoned, tortured and killed anyone who spoke out.
Of course, you don’t give a shit about people having the right to go govern themselves, you are all about kings and royalty, absolute dictators who rule their countries and oppress freedom of their citizens.
‘No Kings’ means we will never submit to your dictator, Donald Trump.
So go ahead, crawl on your knees and kiss his ring, bend over and present your posterior so that he and the other billionaires can continue to have their way with you.
So it’s only a crime if you sell influence to muslims? Your bigotry is showing, miner/missy.
Oh, and to add Miner49er…the Iran today is not the same Iran of old you bring up. Iran started the run up to this 46 years ago by declaring war on us, they exploited the weakness of Democrat president Jimmy Carter to do it. Then later, Obama and Biden basically gave them the money they needed to enrich uranium beyond the 60% point of enrichment needed to go further to produce 90% enriched uranium U-235 [90% is weapons grade] and that they did.
The 1953 coup in Iran, known as the 28 Mordad coup, was to overthrow Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh. It was orchestrated by the CIA and British intelligence to restore the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to power and protect Western oil interests. Its true this event marked a significant turning point in Iranian history, there was autocratic rule in Iran after that for decades but it also further upset radical Islamic factions in Iran already wanting death to the western world of that era and created more anti-Western sentiment that resulted in the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Dwight D. Eisenhower was president, a member of the republican party. Then later a weak democrat president Jimmy Carter didn’t do anything about it when Iran declared war on us when the current day Iran was born and since then Iran has carried out attacks against the U.S. and our allies – and later two democrat presidents basically gave Iran the money they needed to build a nuclear weapon they wanted to use against us and our allies.
Then a republican President Trump carried out his duty to protect us, and basically the world, from mentally ill Iran Islamic fanatics who want to use a nuclear weapon against us, said they were going to do it, had the capability to do it, has a history and dedicated purpose for the last 46 years to be willing to kill and slaughter… and for some reason in your mental illness TDS you think that’s not Iran ‘provoking’ when Iran says they will use a nuclear weapon against us or our allies when they have, or very shortly would have had, the capability to do so.
So you, Miner49er, are willing to gamble the lives of millions of people on the chance that Iran would not do what they have sworn to do for the last 46 years as in ‘Death to America’, and have been trying to do for the last 40 years, and not use the nuclear weapon they promised they would use – just so you can exercise your mental illness TDS and continue to lie. You are insane, get some help Miner49er…you need some serious mental health help to recover from this left-wing disease.
Clarification: Dwight D. Eisenhower was president in 1953 when the 28 Mordad coup happened.
Correction: “…that resulted in the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Dwight D. Eisenhower was president…”
should have been …
“… that resulted in the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president in 1953”
More Information: The events that eventually led to the the 28 Mordad coup and later the 1979 Islamic Revolution actually started under Harry S. Truman. By the time Truman left office in 1953 and Eisenhower took office in 1953, the over throw was already in motion by attempts to destabilize the Mosaddegh government to over throw it having been sanctioned by democrat president Harry S. Truman. And on 19 August 1953 while Eisenhower was president the Iranian army supported by the United States and the United Kingdom staged the coup.
Heck, while Biden was in office Iran attacked our troops in the Middle East around 200 times and Biden did nothing to put a stop to it – ya know, except willing to sacrifice our troops so he could pretend-diplomacy cozy up to Iran by unfreezing Iran’s money to the tune of 16 Billion $$ and let them have it and they used it for their nuclear (to enrich for nuclear weapons grade uranium U-235) and weapons program, and further attacks, while Biden wanted to start a ‘forever war’ with his blatant “wag the dog” operation in Yemen in 2024 to boost his failed economy in the toilet if he won the election or saddle Trump with another war if Biden lost.
“Of course, you don’t give a shit about people having the right to go govern themselves…”
(As if I can go back in time and stop what happened back in 1953…you have a secret time machine in your mental illness apparently)
Hey, I’m all for “people having the right to go govern themselves”, that’s what I’ve been talking about because the ‘right to go govern themselves’ also means freedom from ‘government’ and others stomping all over constitutional rights by trying to remove or oppress or control the very rights those people have involved with the ability to “go govern themselves”, like the right to keep and bear arms. You advocate for such government to remove or oppress or control of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So why do you hate the idea of “people having the right to go govern themselves” and hate America so much?
(note: I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your crazy in that post. The crazy in it is obvious enough and I don’t have the time right now.)
Hell freezes over and pigs fly: Scarborough Shocks Viewers with Rare Defense of Trump’s Iran Strike: ‘Any President Would’ve Done It’
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In a rare moment of clarity from the liberal media, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough left viewers stunned on Monday when he offered a surprising defense of President Donald Trump’s bold and strategic strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Known for his relentless criticism of Trump, Scarborough broke ranks with the left-wing echo chamber by acknowledging the strength and effectiveness of the president’s Operation Midnight Hammer.
During Monday’s broadcast of ‘Morning Joe,’ Scarborough said he was not ‘championing either side,’ but defended Trump’s strikes on Iran’s nuclear program. He argued that any president, including Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush, would have felt compelled to act given Iran’s looming nuclear threat.
‘I find it hard to believe that Bush 41, Bush 43, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, you know, go down the list, any president wouldn’t have felt compelled to take that strike,’ he said. ‘What would Monday look like if he hadn’t have moved? If Iran wasn’t already at 60 percent [enrichment of uranium] and an ability to create nuclear weapons in a short matter of time, right?’
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2025/06/23/joe-scarborough-stuns-viewers-with-defense-of-trumps-iran-strategy-n2659324
To add to all of my above….So yes Miner49er, everything you posted is BS. Your violent liberal left wing made up ‘No Kings’ TDS temper tantrum mental illness BS.
And with your anti-gun stuff with your ‘government’ ‘license and training’ ‘control’ BS…. your “people having the right to go govern themselves” becomes “people having the right to go govern themselves … as long as the government can control or remove or abolish their rights involved with the right to go govern themselves.” – Typical Marxist Socialist BS.
There have been presidents, democrat and republican, that have said ‘Iran can not have a nuclear weapon’. The most contributory, in fact a direct line to modern times Iran nuclear weapons, were weak democrat presidents, even going so far as to fund Iran’s nuclear weapon program.
It began with democrat president Harry S. Truman. He sanctioned the attempts to destabilize the Mosaddegh government to over throw it.
Then there was democrat president Jimmy Carter. Iran blatantly exploited the weakness of this president, and due to his in-action and weakness – On Nov. 4, 1979, less than two weeks after the constitution of the new Islamic Republic was adopted, a group calling itself Muslim Students Following the Imam’s Line (that is, the Ayatollah Khomeini’s line) entered the U.S. Embassy compound in Tehran and took hostage the skeleton staff of sixty-six that was still serving there after the fall of the Shah – thus attacked the United States (the embassy was, under international law, United States soil) and by doing such declared war on the United States. And for the last 46 years we have been at war with Iran.
President Bill Clinton described a nuclearlzed Iran as intolerable and signed the Iran Nonproliferation Act of 2000, “which authorize[d] him to take punitive action against individuals or organizations known to be providing material aid to weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in Iran.”
Clinton did nothing when it was discovered Iran was trying to enrich uranium for weapons grade.
” … when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say. I don’t bluff.
—- President Barack Obama – 2012 – in laying out argument against Iran containment and instead for disruption, by force, if necessary in relation to Iran having nuclear weapon, and saying he was being ‘crystal clear’ about this”
Then Obama gave Iran $ 1.6 Billion on pallets that Iran used to build centrifuges for enriching uranium to 90% weapons grade.
“[Iran] will never get a nuclear weapon on my watch.
—- President Joe ‘lets take a shower Ashley’ Biden – 2021”
Then Biden unfroze $16 billion of Iran’s money and let them have it. Iran make a ‘pinky swear’ to use the money for ‘humanitarian purposes’ then used the money for its nuclear and weapons program and funding more attacks on U.S. military and our allies, and for increasing their 90% weapons grade uranium.
AS an aside: Even cackling Kamala Harris in a very rare moment of clarity said :
“Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists, and I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
—- Kamala Harris 2024 during her campaign – despite helping Joe basically give Iran $16 Billion that Iran used for increasing their 90% weapons grade uranium”
For years, presidents did nothing with an Iran crossing the president ‘Unanimous Red Line’ of having a nuclear weapon. Then Iran finally did it – despite their many attacks over the years in their declared war against us, this time they picked the wrong President, and Donald Trump did not back down and end up giving Iran what it wanted like the democrat presidents before him. Iran attempted to assassinate him because they saw him as the biggest threat to their nuclear weapon ambitions and because in his first term he had started trying things to stop their nuclear ambitions such as the January 2020 drone strike that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani who was heading up the deployment plans for a Iran nuclear weapon and withdrawing from the very exploitable and poorly crafted Iran nuclear deal, being exploited by Iran to continue its nuclear weapons program, so he could impose sanctions against Iran aimed at keeping Iran from getting what it needed to build a nuclear weapon, sanctions the nuclear deal kept from happening. This should have been a clue to Iran that we knew what they were up to but they still persisted. And then Iran threatens to use a nuclear weapon – and Trump did what needed to be done, did what Clinton and Obama and Biden paid lip service to but did nothing about.
Fact Check: Did Iran Try to Assassinate Donald Trump?
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‘They want to kill him. He’s enemy number one,’ referring to […] President Donald Trump. Netanyahu described Iran’s animosity toward Trump as deeply rooted in his aggressive Middle East policies, including the U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and the targeted drone strike on General Soleimani in 2020.
Netanyahu’s public statement reflects findings already documented by U.S. authorities.
… Shakeri, while in Tehran, conducted multiple interviews with the FBI in which he admitted being tasked with surveilling and killing Trump in the months before the 2024 presidential election.
The criminal complaint states that Shakeri was instructed by a senior IRGC official in September 2024 to prioritize the Trump plot over other assignments. When Shakeri raised concerns about the cost, he was […] told: ‘We have already spent a lot of money,’ indicating that the regime was willing to finance a continued effort to assassinate Trump.
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Christopher Wray, then director of the FBI, said in a statement that same month:
‘Iran has been conspiring with criminals and hitmen to target and gun down Americans on U.S. soil, and that simply won’t be tolerated’.
The DOJ confirmed that Shakeri had enlisted two U.S.-based men in a parallel plot to kill Iranian-American activist Masih Alinejad. Both men were arrested in New York, while Shakeri remains at large in Iran.
True. The claim that Iran attempted to assassinate Donald Trump is substantiated by criminal indictments, FBI investigations and intelligence briefings. The Justice Department has outlined evidence that an Iranian-directed operative was ordered to surveil and develop a plan to kill Trump before the 2024 election.”
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-iran-try-assassinate-donald-trump-2086175
(in short, Iran knew Trump would not put up with their ambitions for a nuclear weapon. With Trump out of the way, its likely Kamala Harris would have ended up winning the election basically by default because no one else was really running against her. Iran knew from previous experience that democrat presidents are weak and lack the strength and fortitude and political resolve to stop them and talk a lot but never really do anything to them that stops or curtails their nuclear weapon ambitions, they wanted a democrat president and despite Kamalas statements she had already shown she was willing to give Iran what it wanted by her help with them getting the $16 billion that Biden unfroze. So I have no doubt that under a democrat president in office this time instead of Trump in his second term we would have seen an Iran nuclear weapon used, at a minimum. against U.S. forces in the region (Iran had already threatened to do this) and Israel and others in the region. And although the two that did try to actively kill Trump haven’t been publicly connected to Iran, the actions of Biden for weakening Trumps protective detail and statements from people in Irans government indicate a willingness to facilitate or rejoice in Trump being killed. But still, the fact remains that Iran wanted Trump killed and even tried to do it through Shakeri.)
So yes, Miner49er, you should do some actual research on the actual facts of actual history and stop spouting this made up mental illness left wing false ‘revision’ you spout here.
Miner49er … you need to learn what research and context means and drop the confirmation bias, and learn to read AND comprehend.
Everything you wrote is painfully incorrect.
Weeks of intense classroom and hands-on training? Weeks? The Marines have the longest Boot Camp at 13 weeks and they literally get Range _Week_ for “hands-on” instruction. Add in Grass Week and that’s two.
And, of course, after that period they are no longer “recruits” in any Service and can purchase and carry personal weapons per the laws of the state in which they live, just not on base. I’d have to check, but I’m pretty sure none of the Services still require junior enlisted to live on base.
It was not “unprovoked”.
correction for: “It simply has not been evidenced that 18 year olds exercising the 2A does any of that.”
should have been…
It simply has not been evidenced that 18 year olds exercising the 2A does any of that outlined in the governors statements.
(… Sure, there might be an incident here are there just like there are for any age group for just about a little of everything with anything – accidents and bad decision/judgement calls happen, but its not evidence that supports the anti-gun stuff in the governors statements as a reason to deny exercise of a constitutional right to law abiding non-prohibited citizens. If we are going to allow such non-evidenced broad generalized assertions for a constitutional right then lets not, for example, let 18 year olds vote or exercise the first amendment.)
The NC voters got what they voted for.
My government didn’t mind entrusting this (former) teenager with a 1911A1, both at home and abroad. If teenagers have the right to vote, and to carry arms in defense of this country, they surely have the right to survive in it.
Whenever I see “oh, this will be dangerous”, I cannot help but wonder: if this is, indeed, the outcome of the proposed bill, where are the statistics that show this is indeed the case? We have, what is it now, 26? 29? — I’ve lost track at how many States allow 18 year olds to carry without training or permit — surely there’d be data by now that shows this is, indeed, a dangerous move!
But we never get that. Bills like this are always vetoed on “hunches” and “assumptions” — the likes of which are almost never born out by actual experience!
I moved to NC 6 years ago hoping a sane, fair-minded, rational Republican would be be elected governor sometime soon. Still waiting. I’ll have to put up with this knucklehead Democrat for a few more years.