The latest five-alarm warning being issued by the Dorr brothers’ “no compromise” American Firearms Association claims that the biggest gun rights organizations in America have sold their members out in the effort to delist silencers, short-barrel rifles and short-barrel shotguns from the NFA in the Senate as part of the One Big Beautiful Bill. They claim that the GOA, FPC, SAF and NRA have “GAS LIT gun owners and sold them out behind the scenes.”
Let’s take a breath for a minute.
This is the closest anyone has ever gotten to undoing much of the NFA. I don’t get how gun rights groups are responsible for the GOP’s refusal to fire or overrule the Senate Parliamentarian (whose rulings affected much more than just this issue). The gun rights orgs clearly pushed for that, hard. Given that they couldn’t get it, they took the consolation prize of zeroing the $200 transfer tax, which itself would constitute the only blow against the NFA that has ever landed.
That isn’t selling anyone out.
No one was “gaslit.” The original plan in the House was just to zero out the tax. Pro-gun groups pushed for (and got) the scrapping of registration, too in the House’s bill. Then they took a big swing, but got screwed by the Democrat Parliamentarian and the GOP’s refusal to stop her.
I’m not mad at them for trying.
You certainly should be demanding of the gun rights groups you support, I don’t begrudge anyone that. But at the same time, a lot of grifters who have never accomplished anything of note are taking cheap shots right now with bullshit accusations.
Groups like this one should say — with specifics — how they would have achieved a better result than the bigger gun rights groups they’re now criticizing. How would they have gotten Senate Majority Leader Thune and others to nuke the Parliamentarian? Enquiring want to know.
Not a sell-out. A disappointment to be sure. Especially since now that tax is going to be a plaything for the antis. Expect them to not just reinstitute it but to jack it waaaaay up the first chance they get.
Enjoy this period of time and Form 1 everything you can and buy all the suppressors you think you’ll ever need.
“No one was “gaslit.””
Yes we were. We were gaslit that Trump opposed the cuts, even though anyone who actually paid attention knew that among Vance’s very few powers is telling the Parliamentarian “No”. In-fact, he doesn’t even have to say “no”: The Parlimentarian is officially an advisor with no power, so all he had to do was NOT say yes. Vance stabbed us in the back. Remember that in 2028.
Yeah, remember that in 2028 and vote for AOC???
WTF kind of thinking is that
Never let perfect be the enemy of ok
It’s called a primary election.
May want to review what happened and who was responsible. But you already have your mind made up as you ignored being corrected earlier.
“Never let perfect be the enemy of ok”
Damn straight, Mas, that’s where I’m at.
I’m gonna build me an ‘Army of Darkness’ SXS ‘Boom Stick’ in celebration…
Vance didn’t stab anyone in the back on this. Contrary to hype – him telling the Parliamentarian “No”, or even firing the Parliamentarian, would not have changed any thing. There were republicans who voted against it anyway, three of them, but there were also republicans who would have voted against it if it did not strictly follow the Byrd rule and Vance can not make them vote otherwise. That gun stuff removed did not strictly follow the Byrd rule, it was obvious going in. With the three republicans that voted against it anyway, and the three others that wanted it to strictly adhere to the Byrd rule (even though they liked the gun stuff) – it would have never made it out of senate to go to the house with a majority vote if that stuff stayed in and it would have been forced to a supermajority 60 vote in the senate which the republicans could not win because they do not have 60 votes in the senate because they do not have 60 seats in the senate (even though they have a majority) and we would have ended up with nothing. This had nothing to do with Vance – its the way it works.
But it can be changed in the House, the house does not have a Byrd rule. And already an amendment has been submitted in the house to put the NFA destruction language back in.
“But it can be changed in the House, the house does not have a Byrd rule.”
Correct, the metaphorical (and proverbial) ‘Fat Lady’ hasn’t warmed up her golden pipes yet…
That’s true but this is not over yet with the senate. Its still fragile, it can still be forced back to the senate if amendments are added in the house, to undergo Parliamentarian and Byrd rule and another vote. I expect this time, if that happens with it being forced back to the senate for the amendments, that Thune would tell the Parliamentarian to take a hike and get it voted out of senate again to avoid the 60 vote super majority thing. If it gets voted out of senate back to the house with the amendment intact then the amendment becomes part of the bill then if the bill passes the house it goes to Trump for signature.
Personally – I was not pleased they did this in a reconciliation bill, especially with midterms coming up next year and a second chance for another reconciliation bill then if democrats get control in senate and house. Its not because I did not want the 2A stuff, but rather that reconciliation bills are always so ‘fragile’ trying to get them passed and they always end up loosing stuff that was wanted and what ever was passed in a reconciliation bill can be gutted if the democrats gain control of congress again and do a reconciliation bill. I wanted actual separate bills passed, and signed into law that could not be easily changed or repealed (like the stupid safer communities act can’t be easily changed or repealed) thus insulated from the democrats simply gutting stuff in a reconciliation bill more easily. What can be added in a reconciliation bill can be removed in a reconciliation bill, they are always so fragile especially for long term.
Get the House to put them back in while lobbying Thune to fire the parliamentarian? If they only remove the tax, then would they still fit within the Byrd rule in the future?
We shouldn’t take our chances with the GOP. Maybe we should go all out for this right now. It’s probably our only chance.
It went back to the senate after all, and got voted out of senate again.
All 45 Senate Dems Just Voted For A $4 Trillion Tax Increase.
“The Big Beautiful Bill was dragged over the Senate finish line with the support of just half the chamber, plus one tiebreaking vote from Vice President J.D. Vance. …” (again…)
” ‘Failure to pass this legislation would result in a $4 trillion tax hike,’ ”
“Tuesday’s vote was passed with 50 Republican senators in favor. All 45 Democrats voted no.”
(The republicans that voted against the bill are Sens. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine, and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Also, two independents voted no, Sen. Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Bill back in the house home court.)
https://thefederalist.com/2025/07/02/all-45-senate-dems-just-voted-for-a-4-trillion-tax-increase/
(its like watching a ping pong game – back-n-forth the ball goes trying to hit the sweet spot so the other player misses enough and ends up loosing the game)
And now it goes back to the House again, correct? So there’s still a chance?
I’m curious about this:
If they only remove the tax, then would HPA & SHORT still fit within the Byrd rule in the future?
Now the democrats are no longer only voting against this bill ’cause of their mentally ill delusional TDS that ‘orange man bad’ – they are voting against the American people, ALL of the American people, left or right wing or liberal or moderate or center or, trans or not, no matter the race or age.
“And now it goes back to the House again, correct? So there’s still a chance?”
Yes.
“I’m curious about this:
If they only remove the tax, then would HPA & SHORT still fit within the Byrd rule in the future?”
probably not as written now.
Here’s the thing. The Byrd rule doesn’t allow ‘extraneous’ stuff if the Byrd rule is strictly applied. The creator of the rule never really intended it to be so strictly applied, he knew that sometimes things can not be directly related but still have an effect. So in some cases ‘extraneous’ can be included if Byrd is not strictly applied if what-ever is tangentially related to tax or budget. That’s what the HPA & SHORT are and were the way they were written, tangentially related to budget and tax. Over the years there have been many tangentially related things passed under the Byrd rule by both republican and democrat, some so remote from tax and budget that its like trying to see through a solid wall to see it yet it still passed and it was the accepted and legitimate and ‘traditional’ norm and without that ‘flexibility’ we would not have some of the beneficial programs we have today.
But, the democrats have forgotten they were the biggest abusers of the Byrd rule in the past. They put in stuff that seemed ‘tangentially related’ the way it was written to get past the Byrd rule, but when it got passed they exploited it to continue funding fraud and waste and abuse and now DEI and illegal aliens, and as a result the cost for benefits programs went up beyond what it would have been funded at that was sustainable. The bill now seeks to remove that funding of fraud and waste and abuse by cuts in some programs, for example, cuts in the funding for medicare to bring it back to where its suppose to be funded so the program can continue to provide benefits without cutting out benefits for American citizens that are entitled to receive those benefits.
But now the democrats are in such a fugue state of mental illness TDS they are actually no longer voting against the bill but rather against the American people – ALL of the American people, left or right wing or liberal or moderate or center or trans or not no matter the race or age as the effects of their attempts to kill this if they are successful will end up hurting all. And to do that they are grasping at anything they can to tear it down, and one of these things was demanding a strict adherence to the Byrd rule and the HPA & SHORT didn’t pass.
Schumer Changes Name of ‘One Big Beautiful Bill’ in Last Minute Snit Fit.
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We wrote about how Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) played schoolyard games Saturday by forcing the Senate clerk to read the over 900-page-plus “One Big Beautiful Bill” out loud for 16 straight hours in a bid to delay the proceedings. Well it didn’t work, Chuck, because the measure passed the Senate Tuesday by a tie 50-50 vote broken by Vice President JD Vance.
It now goes back to the House, where unless things go seriously off the rails, a final bill will pass and head to President Trump’s desk.
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https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/07/01/schumer-changes-name-of-the-one-big-beautiful-bill-in-last-minute-snit-fit-n2191133
“there were also republicans who would have voted against it”
Then let them take the fall for their own decisions. A tax is a tax, period.
OH, and BTW, the greatest hype is also not true….Vance can’t really tell the Parliamentarian “No” or fire the Parliamentarian. His role is purely as a tie breaker in this, he doesn’t get a vote on it as other than a tie breaker and as a tie breaker that is his only constitutional role in this to get it voted – he is not a senator, he can’t vote on the bill like the rest of the senate can. I do not know why people think Vance would have had some sway in this by telling the Parliamentarian “No” or firing the Parliamentarian.
It would have been up to the Senate Majority Leader John Thune to tell the Parliamentarian “No” or fire the Parliamentarian, Vance could not have..
And, as citizens, we need to be very careful with what changes in the Senate we advocate for – the basis for the USS has already been adulterated with direct election of senators, changing the Senate rules to make it more “responsive” would be a huge misstep. The Senate is supposed to be resistant to current popular public opinion, it was originally designed to represent each individual state as a whole, to look out for each state’s unique positions and interests – not to act as some “super” House of Representatives. The Senate rules need to be as “conservative” – as in based on historical precedents and resistant to whimsy – as possible.
I’m hip to the fragility of using budget reconciliations as a path to changing the laws – it’s not as sound as new laws to change or succeed prior laws and can be undone by future reconciliations. Getting the taxes on NFA items zeroed out is a massive step towards normalizing in the public’s mind firearms and related items that we in the RTKABA community know are no more “dangerous” than any other gun or accessory – we should celebrate when the BBB passes! And then start the work to get the NFA either repealed or aligned with the 2nd Amendment.
Correct. This one is on Thune, not Vance.
After the GOP got control of the Senate in 1981 (after decades of Dem control of both houses), they fired the Dem-appointed parliamentarian and installed one of their own, For the next three decades, every time there was a change in which party controlled the Senate, this process repeated, with the same two men swapping in and out of the job. In 2012, Harry Reid appointed the current parliamentarian, but when the GOP regained Senate control in 2015 Mitch McConnell bizarrely decided to let her stay in her position. Similarly, Thune could (and should) have nuked her on Day 1 this term, but apparently he and squishes like John Cornyn went on record to say they were supporting her staying on.
And like the scorpion, of course she reverted to her nature when it counted.
Politics ain’t beanbag. We need leaders who are more interested in results than playing patty cake with the DC denizens.
proof you don’t need a dopey avatar to spew nonsense.
OK, here’s a thing: When this reconciliation bill passed out of senate with a majority vote it went to the house. The house is not bound by the Byrd rule, and after its out of senate [Byrd process by passing] and in the house – language/amendments can be added to the bill…
BREAKING: New Amendment Made To Big Beautiful Bill To Reinject NFA Destruction Language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqUB3JSGmS0
Major Self Defense Case Ruling: Kayla Giles Conviction OVERTURNED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX-KhBmQKsI
BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP DOJ GRANTS 2A PRECEDENT SETTING VICTORY!
The Donald Trump DOJ has conceded in favor of the Second Amendment that 18-20 year olds have 2nd Amendment rights. Mark Smith, Four Boxes Diner, discusses…
BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP DOJ GRANTS 2A PRECEDENT SETTING VICTORY!
The Donald Trump DOJ has conceded in favor of the Second Amendment that 18-20 year olds have 2nd Amendment rights. Mark Smith, Four Boxes Diner, discusses…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxzEx68mBE
STUNNING: FBI Covered Up Chinese Scheme to Heist 2020 Election.
“The FBI knew about the Chinese scheme to rig the 2020 election for Joe Biden by flooding the zone with fake voters, but covered it up and destroyed documents to protect former FBI Director Chris Wray. Wray testified to Congress that there was nothing hinky about the 2020 election, but in reality, he knew of the Chinese conspiracy to rig the election.
That doesn’t specifically mean that the election was rigged, but it sure shows the intent of U.S. “deep state” officials to hide evidence and lie to Congress about it. That is not normal.
The Fox News Digital exclusive was headlined, ‘FBI blocked probe into alleged Chinese 2020 election meddling to protect Wray from fallout’ with the subheadline reading, ‘documents show The FBI recalled reporting on allegations CCP manufactured fake driver’s licenses to be shipped to US to help individuals cast fraudulent ballots for Biden because it contradicted Wray testimony.’
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https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/07/01/stunning-fbi-cover-up-of-chinese-scheme-to-heist-2020-election-for-biden-done-to-protect-chris-wray-n4941354
Here’s How Much America Is Winning Because of Trump’s Tariffs.
“Remember when the “experts” and the entire Democrat echo chamber couldn’t stop whining about Donald Trump’s tariffs? We were pounded with smug lectures about how tariffs would wreck the economy, working families would be crushed, and the stock market would never recover. Liberal economists practically tripped over themselves predicting doom and gloom. Well, look where we are today. The numbers are in, and once again, common sense — and Trump’s America First agenda — wins.
Trump’s tariffs have pumped more than $121 billion into the United States so far. That’s not some projection or wishful thinking. Even CNBC, which spent years trashing the policy, was forced to admit this tidal wave of cash is real. The stock market? Setting records. American jobs? Stabilizing. Meanwhile, left-wing pundits are eating their words.
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https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/07/01/heres-how-much-america-is-winning-because-of-trumps-tariffs-n4941329
UPDATE: FFL Does Best 2A Work Yet In Big Beautiful Bill! (currently the bill is in the house rules committee where an amendment that basically destroys the NFA stuff for for suppressors and SBR/SBS. The parliamentarian was flat out wrong to remove this and its being proven now in the house rules committee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDH_zoY1R8