LAPD’s Broken Concealed Carry Permitting Process is a System Designed to Fail

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Even as the majority of states embrace constitutional carry (29 so far), California continues to make it more difficult for its responsible residents to carry a firearm for lawful self-defense. Not only is the state’s concealed weapons permit law already more complicated and burdensome than those in other states, but some localities’ implementation of the law (or lack of implementation, to be more precise) has raised allegations of unconstitutional violations of California law and the Second Amendment.

The Los Angeles Police Department is allegedly advising applicants for CCW permits that a lack of resources means an expected processing time of around 18 to 22 months, even though California law mandates that permits be approved or denied within 120 days.

The LAPD, it is claimed, is even manipulating the statutory deadline “by putting applicants on a waiting list and not treating their application as ‘accepted’ until LAPD decides to receive it,” even though the 120-day period starts as soon as the application is submitted. Given that the term of a permit, once granted, is only two years, the outcome is a ridiculous situation where the process takes almost as long as the permit is good for.

CCW holders needing to renew are also kept waiting, and stand to lose their carry rights because renewal processing is liable to exceed the time in which a permit remains valid.

These processing issues are now so acute and well known that they’re being cited in criminal proceedings as a defense or justification. According to the Vanguard News Group, an applicant with a pending CCW application was apprehended with three legal and registered firearms and was charged with improper firearm carry. The defense counsel argued the matter was appropriate for a judicial diversion (in which charges are dismissed after a defendant completes court-imposed conditions), pointing to the accused’s stable employment with the Coast Guard, their current CCW waitlist status, and the LAPD’s excessive and likely unconstitutional delays in issuing permits.

On July 8, Los Angeles Superior Court Commissioner Brad Miles Fox denied the judicial diversion request, but left the door open for further arguments on the processing delays. The denial was without prejudice so as to allow defense counsel to renew the motion next month and provide the commissioner with “additional information about the LAPD’s backlog and its effect on the accused’s case.”

There’s reason to believe the LAPD’s permitting fiasco is unlikely to improve anytime soon.

A Real Clear Investigations report released this month, Pound Foolish: After Cutting Police, Overtime Costs Strain LA’s Budget, outlines the sorry state of police staffing and resources. The number of LAPD personnel continues to drop due, in part, to decisions motivated by the “defund the police” movement.

“In fiscal year 2020-2021, a total of 631 police officers from all ranks left the department or the profession,” and top LAPD officials anticipate a loss of more than 150 officers over the next year. In May, the Los Angeles City Council, with its “defund/abolish the police” proponents, voted for new LAPD budget cuts, which will “leave the agency with just 8,400 cops, the lowest number since 1995.”

The result is the city’s taxpayers are “shelling out tens of millions more in overtime pay than they would have if the police force were fully staffed.” Last year, the LAPD “spent an all-time high of $265.5 million on overtime alone, an increase of $100 million for that line item in the city’s budget since 2019,” and “fiscal year 2025 is on track to exceed last year’s record total.” This outlay will only get worse: “More overtime is likely on the horizon as Los Angeles gears up for high-profile global events, including the 2026 World Cup and the 2028 Summer Olympics.”

In the meantime, ordinary citizens are paying in other ways for their politicians’ policy choices. The same report quotes former Interim LAPD Chief Dominic Choi on the fallout of the understaffing crisis. Overwhelmed officers have less time for proactive policing, impacting the “ability to prevent crimes from happening,” and police response times have, in some cases, tripled or quadrupled.

The Los Angeles politicians’ alternative to cops (“a favored program of defund the police efforts”) isn’t doing much to lessen the load on law enforcement. This involves deploying unarmed teams of mental health professionals as the first responders on non-violent calls involving drug abuse, homelessness or mental health issues. A social worker with experience on these teams said the teams “usually end up calling for LAPD backup anyway” because the individuals prompting the calls threaten physical violence or “have weapons and we don’t feel safe.”

For those left in this law-enforcement lurch, there’s a now service, “Patrol,” that allows “[h]omeowners in LA” (Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Holmby Hills, Malibu and “more areas coming soon”) to “book off duty police officers to help protect their homes.” The ad on X refers to residents who would “rather sleep knowing someone’s looking out for you.”

One of the replies notes the obvious: “I thought we were paying taxes to have on-duty police officers protect our homes.” It’s not a good look: at the same time that police understaffing makes permits inaccessible for ordinary people, the police in a private capacity are available for the wealthy.

All of this perpetuates an ugly cycle. Residents, who can no longer trust in a dependable police response and who are struggling to stay safe, resort to the state’s CCW law and their right to bear arms in self-defense. While citizens are expected to play by the rules in the permitting law, the police administering the scheme are not, giving rise to a reprehensible situation that strips away constitutional rights when they may be most needed.

Attorneys on behalf of the California Rifle and Pistol Association have already warned the LAPD that its excessive delays over CCW permits violate California law and the Second Amendment, and that a federal civil rights lawsuit lies ahead if the LAPD fails “to make firm commitments to expeditiously resolve its CCW permit application backlog.” The expense of defending any litigation includes the potential of damages, attorney’s fees and costs.

A federal lawsuit may likewise be in the future as part of the Justice Department’s investigation to determine whether Los Angeles is “engaging in a pattern or practice of depriving ordinary, law-abiding Californians of their Second Amendment rights” through excessively long processing times or otherwise.

Freedom isn’t free, as the saying goes. Oppression, on the other hand carries a hefty price tag.

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18 thoughts on “LAPD’s Broken Concealed Carry Permitting Process is a System Designed to Fail”

  1. .40 cal Booger

    “A social worker with experience on these teams said the teams ‘usually end up calling for LAPD backup anyway’ because the individuals prompting the calls threaten physical violence or ‘have weapons and we don’t feel safe.’ ”

    look, these people probably have thoughts about not felling safe trusting the light does go out in the fridge when they shut the door.

    But this is not a position where they should be ‘first and only responders’. its another stupid and dangerous left wing idea. The left wing loons who came up with this have no sense of actual reality for this just as they didn’t have any sense of actual reality for defunding police… but no sense of actual reality is a defining trait of the left wing anyway.

  2. .40 cal Booger

    All ‘permit required to carry’ systems are inherently broken because at their core and in purpose and function they relegate the constitutional right exercise to ‘permission subject to government approval’. Just some are more broken than others.

  3. .40 cal Booger

    Illegal alien, and we are told by the democrats that illegal aliens are just here for the jobs to do manual labor and ‘feed America’ [before the democrats have margaritas with them] …well, one of them has side gig – he moon lights in Texas as a kidnapper-rapist.

    https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2025/07/21/houston-illegal-sex-trafficking-kept-woman-hostage-n2416013

    (note – additional information: according to ICE – over 75% of their arrests in Trumps current term are criminal illegal aliens with convictions or pending charges.

    In 2024 alone, the Biden admin, via ICE under Mayorkas, ordered released into the country 435,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions and another 226,847 with pending criminal trials (none of them ever showed up for trial) – none of these were apprehended under the Biden admin. In 2024 under the Biden admin, ‘sanctuary’ areas their selves released into the country 62,231 illegal aliens with violent assault convictions and another 42,915 with violent assault cases pending and another 15,811 that were convicted of sexual assault and another 3,200 convicted of kidnapping.)

    1. .40 cal Booger

      Clarification for: “none of these were apprehended under the Biden admin”

      none of these were apprehended under the Biden admin after the Biden admin ordered them released.

  4. .40 cal Booger

    Mother of Shooting Victim Sues Company NOT Connected To The Shooting.



    The shooting occurred in Philadelphia’s Kingsessing section in July of 2023 when a man shot and killed five people using an AR-15 built from an 80% lower receiver. The mentally disturbed man was wearing body armor and a ski mask. The murderer was experiencing a psychotic episode, according to the court-appointed psychiatrist.

    The fifth victim’s mother, DaJuan Brown, has decided to sue two local companies and their owner, even though their products were not used in the shooting. JSD Supply sells gun parts and previously sold Polymer80 unfinished firearms kits, but it has not sold them since 2022. The shooter did own a Polymer80, but court documents do not say where he purchased the gun, and it was not used to shoot anyone.

    The other company, also owned by Vinroe, which is being sued, hosts gun shows nationwide. The reason the company is being sued is that it has the same address as JSD Supply. Mr. Vinroe entered the gun show business after his company was shut out of a local Pennsylvania gun show due to pressure from then-Attorney General and now-Governor Josh Shapiro. He would purchase the gun show to the dismay of Shapiro.
    It is unclear to what extent Ms. Brown has the right to sue a company for the death of her son, who played no part in the killing. Some compare it to suing Chevy for a death due to a drunk driver driving a Ford. Others believe that this is a case of lawfare and being funded by an anti-gun group, although no evidence exists yet since the lawsuit has yet to be filed, but this does fall into the anti-gun group’s playbook. Several anti-gun groups, such as Brady, have offered continuing legal education (CLEs) classes on how to get around PLCAA by claiming ‘negligence.’

    Once the lawsuit is filed, we will have more information about who is funding the case. JSD Supply and Mr. Vinroe did not have a comment at the time of publishing.
    …”

    https://www.ammoland.com/2025/07/mother-of-shooting-victim-sues-company-not-connected-to-the-shooting/

  5. .40 cal Booger

    NY 2nd Circuit Lets NRA Enemies Off the Hook: Anti-Gun Tyrants Get a Pass Despite SCOTUS Smackdown.



    Tombstone, Arizona – Just over a year ago, the National Rifle Association won a stunning victory at the Supreme Court in NRA v. Vullo, et al.

    The question in that case was whether it violated the NRA’s First Amendment rights for a New York State regulator to intentionally and openly use her regulatory authority to threaten and coerce insurance companies into refusing to do business with the NRA—solely because of the Association’s advocacy for Second Amendment rights.

    The Supreme Court unanimously concluded that it did, reversing the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and remanding the case for further consideration.

    Now, the Second Circuit has ruled that the case must be dismissed because Vullo and her colleagues, as government agents, enjoy qualified immunity and therefore cannot be sued.
    …”
    https://www.ammoland.com/2025/07/ny-2nd-circuit-anti-gun-tyrants-get-a-pass-despite-scotus-smackdown/

  6. 14 comments so far on LA’s broken carry permit system, and EVERY LAST ONE is from .40 cal?

    Start your own damn blog, dude, this is getting ridiculous…

    1. .40 cal Booger

      Its all why “LA’s broken carry permit system” – because malicious & crazy people and malicious & crazy people in charge doing anything they want. In short, the inmates are running the asylum.

    2. I Haz A Question

      I see that my two comments were removed. I think something fishy’s going on with SNW. History repeats, perhaps.

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