The Persistent Myth of the ‘Shoot-Me-First’ Vest

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Recently, a photo was posted on a socialist media site of my recently departed friend, Dave Harrington, Super Dave to most. The image was taken from a video shoot Dave had done many years before and he was wearing the ubiquitous khaki “photographers vest,” The kind that only actual photographers wore until the advent of the International Defensive Pistol Association. We don’t really need to go into the history of IDPA or their “cover garment” requirement, but that’s a thing. 

Like clockwork, an RIA (random internet a**hole) jumped into the comments in an attempt to make himself look smart on Facebook — a fool’s errand — and quipped about how they call those “shoot-me-first vests.” Unlike Doc Holliday, who allowed self-control to get the better of him, I didn’t and queried the RIA, asking him to present evidence of one single, verifiable instance where a bystander was executed by an armed robber due to his fashion choice.

I apparently caught him while he was reclining in his beanbag chair in his mother’s basement. He wiped the Cheeto dust from his fingers and responded almost immediately. However, unable to produce the evidence I requested, the individual spouted that “intel guys” and “spec ops guys” use that term, thus checkmating me….at least in his mind. 

You know, everyone you might encounter in the world potentially serves a purpose. Many of those you encounter stand as bad examples or examples of how not to behave or live your life. In this instance, that keyboard warrior motivated me to address some of the crap that the gun community regurgitates ad nauseam without ever stopping to apply analytical thought.    

‘Shoot-Me-First Vest’

Going back a few decades, there was a time when wearing a khaki vest was a practical fashion item for professional photographers. Then IDPA came along with their requirement to wear a cover garment. Very quickly, vests in numerous colors were being produced and those in the late 90s who had carry permits began to wear them, at least some of them did. I still have a few of them in my closet. 

I also recall receiving such a vest in the mail to review for dead tree gun magazines. When I put it on, my wife commented, “That’s nice, but I am never going out with you in public if you wear that.” 

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Though I am unsure where the term originated, long before socialist media I read an article where the author referred to the khaki photo vest as a “shoot-me-first” vest. The implication was that during a violent crime such as an armed robbery, the perpetrator would take the time to surveil the innocent bystanders who might be present and, spotting a person in a khaki vest, summarily kill that person because such a vest is an indicator of an armed citizen. 

I have personally known several experienced armed men, those who had been in genuine gunfights, who did indeed have a habit of wearing some sort of vest while armed. But back then, they didn’t have random asshats on the internet to tell them they were wrong. 

Let’s pause a moment for a reality check, shall we? Thanks to the 1984 world in which we live where every step you take in public is under the watchful eye of surveillance cameras, have you ever watched videos of how armed robberies go down? Have you ever witnessed a felon, or group of felons, stop and take the time to consider how the innocent bystanders are dressed? Are we to believe that, rather than bursting in, waving guns, and screaming for the clerk to hand over the money, the armed robbers will instead shift their focus to the gallery of innocents to see who might be wearing a khaki vest? 

“But what about hostage situations?” some dude in the back just yelled, attempting to trump my argument. My question is this, “Are you carrying a gun for self-defense? Do you have training?” If so, how the devil are you allowing yourself to become a hostage? If you’re willing to allow yourself to be rounded up and taken to a secondary crime scene — a back room, walk in reefer, etc. — what the hell do you think your concealed carry gun is for? Is your EDC only for Instagram posts? 

“But what about rampage killings where a terrorist with a gun or knife is just killing to make a point?” Again, why do you have your gun? Unless you have the bad luck to be the first victim, your gun should be out of the holster, in your hand and the front sight indexed on the killer as you manage recoil and then scan for other threats. 

Also, how many crackheads and inner-city gangbangers participate in IDPA matches or watch them on Youtube? Do you really think that said vermin keep up with concealed carry dress codes? If that’s the case, I guess we need to stop wearing Hawaiian shirts now, too. 

Fanny Packs and Other Methods

Many moons ago, when I lived and worked in Florida, the colored waistpack (fanny pack) with a concealed gun compartment was in vogue. If you entered the Sunshine State and didn’t own one, they gave you a half-off coupon so you could fix yourself. 

The Tactical Intelligentsia naturally started referring to these fanny packs as “shoot-me-first packs” and advised gun carriers not to use them. Folks, if an armed robber in Florida saw everyone with a fanny pack as an armed threat, they would run out of ammo trying to shoot every person in the Cracker Barrel who was wearing one. In Florida, if you wanted to be a gray man and blend in, a fanny pack was a required piece of attire.

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During the GWoT, when tactical pants or khaki cargo pants became popular, the same pseudo-logic was applied to them as well. “Don’t wear cargo pants because they mark you as a gun carrier.” One has to wonder if the gang-bangers and crackheads subscribed to Guns & Sandwiches magazine in order to keep up with the latest CCW fashion trends. Yes, we know what we wear to easily and conveniently conceal our gear. Do they? Are we trying to hide from felons or from other gun people?

Then there is the advice to never wear a polo shirt with the stitched logo for “Remington” or “Winchester” or even “IDPA.” “You need to blend, to be the gray man.” Again, who are we hiding from? How many would-be armed robbers know what IDPA stands for? Or NineLine or PHU for that matter?  Should we all start dressing like Steve Jobs and wear the same black turtle neck and faded blue jeans every day? 

I used to have a black polo with the word “Blackhawk” embroidered on it. During my contracting days when I flew a lot, I would wear that polo when I traveled. Though I was never shot first, the polo did serve as an impetus for pleasant conversations with active-duty personnel and veterans. But I didn’t have any RIAs on Facebook at the time to tell me I was wrong. 

Security officers secure an area inside Westgate Shopping Centre in Nairobi September 21, 2013.  (REUTERS/Siegfried Modola)

There’s a famous photo of armed citizens who were the first persons to respond to the terrorist attack in the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya. Not only was one of the men wearing a khaki photo vest, he also committed the tactical sin of having an IDPA patch on it. 

Parting Shots

If you decide to take your tactical advice from random people on socialist media, that’s your prerogative. Perhaps you might put more of your time and attention into realistic training and situational awareness. At the end of the day, if you find yourself, through no fault of your own, in the middle of a violent felony, there are four possible outcomes of which you need to be concerned. You will be judged by history and your Maker as having been; a living hero, a dead hero, a living coward, or a dead coward. How you were dressed will be of little or no concern.  

 

 

Paul G. Markel is a combat decorated United States Marine veteran. He is also the founder of Student the Gun University and has been teaching Small Arms & Tactics to military personnel, police officers, and citizens for over three decades.     

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26 thoughts on “The Persistent Myth of the ‘Shoot-Me-First’ Vest”

  1. I’ve been using fanny packs for decades. And I see many people wearing sleeveless jackets. Like a vest they are an excellent cover garment. And they come in many different styles fabrics and colors.

    I have 5 different ones. Some for hot weather. Some for cold weather. I have added pockets to some of them.

    You can even carry a long gun while wearing one. Yes that’s correct. Now go look for one of the take down varieties.

    Think outside the box.

  2. Fanny packs do attract attention, its not like criminals do not notice, for example > 2 men steal $30,000 from victim’s fanny pack in broad daylight (in 2023).



    A man going to deposit a large sum of money at a local bank was unable to do so after being robbed in broad daylight on Tuesday.

    According to law enforcement officials, the robbery took place in the parking lot outside a Wells Fargo branch in Northridge shortly after 2:30 p.m.

    The two men fired several gunshots into the air before stealing the victim’s fanny pack, which contained all the cash.
    …”

    https://ktla.com/news/local-news/2-men-steal-30000-from-victims-fanny-pack-in-broad-daylight/

    1. street criminals have been targeting fanny packs for a long time. Its not what they actually contain – its the thought of what they could contain that makes them attractive to street criminals looking for targets of opportunity. They know fanny pack people tend to put valuables in them and if its got some value it can be possibly fenced for cash.

      For example > SAPD: Suspect accused of stabbing man twice, stealing his fanny pack at Northwest Side apartment. (4 years ago).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5yPqqoVOQ

          1. and people who dress down to look ‘relaxed slob’ or are ‘convenience dressed’ (i.e. the multi-pocketed/compartment vest) tend to get robbed by street criminals more than others that are well dressed and not dressed looking like they they could pull something out of multiple pockets ready to ‘MacGyver’ anything. So it may not be a ‘Shoot-Me-First’ Vest or a ‘Shoot-Me-First’ fanny pack thing, and in that aspect its a myth, but its not a myth that criminals do not notice them and do not make the choice to attack based upon that mode of dress/accessory.

    2. Nonsense. For all we know, they knew WHO he was, and had been casing him. How many people have THAT much money on them? It wasn’t random.

      1. Lets suppose they knew who he was and had been casing him…. that it its self shows that criminals did indeed surveil their target with a fanny pack.

        But aside from that incident, what about all the others (not just the few examples I posted, there are thousands of these) that had a commonality of the victims having a fanny pack. Ya don’t think criminals notice a fanny pack?

        Street level criminals (especially the ‘slash, grab and run’ types) often target fanny packs because they are seen as easy to access (being outside the body, and generally with a strap behind the body they can slash from behind for the ‘slash, grab and run’ types), plus they are associated with tourists or others who may carry cash and valuables.

        Think about it, do people wear a fanny pack just to carry it around all day empty? No, most people using fanny packs tend to put their stuff in it for easy access and that is often wallets and credit cards and cash and sometimes prescription drugs that can fetch some cash on the streets or ‘self medicating drugs’ like pot, or other things that might be valuable to the criminal – and you don’t think criminals are not aware of this and don’t notice fanny pack people?

        Then there is the ‘looks harmless’ factor. The more harmless you look the more the criminal sees you as prey, especially the ‘target of opportunity’ type of criminal. Sure, maybe you are armed but the criminal may not know that, and indeed criminals surveyed in prisons have said they would avoid targets they thought might be armed with a firearm. But wearing a fanny pack to ‘conceal carry’ the firearm does not mean you will not be targeted because the criminal thinks you could possibly be carrying something of value they might want and they know people do carry valuables and cash in fanny packs. So they might not pick you out as a ‘shoot-me-first cause I have a gun in my fanny pack’ type of thing – but that does not mean they will not target you simply ’cause fanny pack could contain something valuable.

  3. I guess my opinion on it would be: Why are you wearing a fishing vest if you arent fishing?

    I just like to blend-in when I’m carrying. Dress for the season and your environment and you should have no issues.

    The more important discussion would be “when” to draw your weapon in public. But maybe that’s a topic for another article…

    1. “The more important discussion would be ‘when’ to draw your weapon in public”

      I’ll paraphrase what a lawyer told me once:

      The answer is simple and complicated and overly complicated.

      The simple simple answer is … you draw only when its absolutely necessary to do so to prevent or stop a genuine immiment threat of serious injury or death to you or another.

      The complicated answer is … making sure the situation is an imminent genuine threat of serious injury or death to you or another.

      The overly complicated answer is … if you do need to draw your weapon assume there will always be some assh0le of a lawyer or prosecutor or person some place that thinks you should not have drawn your weapon even though you or another would have been seriously injured or killed if you had not drawn your weapon.

      1. But do you take cover first? Draw while taking cover?

        Draw while digging around in your fishing vest AND taking cover?

        Lol

        So many things to worry about, maybe just a good belt and a quality holster is enough. Leave the fishing vest in the truck?

  4. Super Dave may have been wearing it as bait… could you imagine how bad of a day it would have been for a degenerate who targeted Dave?

  5. One would think criminals don’t have the luxury of time to study what people are wearing; but they may have time to “notice” what some are wearing and therein lies the difference.

  6. It’s been found that 80-90 percent of concealed carriers wear belts. To avoid being marked as armed, do not wear a belt.

    1. Don’t know. I had a homeless guy once target me for my shoes. Not that he needed shoes because he was wearing shoes that looked almost brand new but said he liked mine and was going to take them so I went into ‘here it comes’ mode ready just in case he did try something and started moving away from him to go a different direction. But then he asked me if I had a gun, so I’m thinking he is seriously thinking about attacking. As I continued moving away I told him it would not be a good idea to try to find out. He said ‘nah man, I think ya have a gun so I’m not gonna take your shoes.’ and turned to leave.

      So after that a few seconds later as I was watching him shuffle away with that drugged out unsteady gait I realized how he got those almost new shoes he was wearing, and someone went home without shoes and maybe to the hospital because this was a really big homeless guy.

      Never know what crazy people will target you for.

  7. Interesting take, and from a former Marine.

    The book ‘Left of Bang’ (written more than a decade ago, at the request of a Marine general) stresses the importance of combat troops, in urban environments, noticing even small details about people in everday surroundings. What doesn’t seem right? Why?

    The corollary is obvious for plainclothes carry: Don’t stand out yourself!
    Indeed none of the many plainclothes police detectives I’ve met over the years has worn a photog vest on duty.

    But, apparently the author believes that no self-respecting bad guy surveils his/her surroundings before commiting crime, or, if they do, would nonetheless think a photog or fishing vest looks commonplace.

    Thanks, but I’ve got different covers for my concealed carry.

  8. I am going to disagree–partly–with this article.

    In terms of an amped-up dude deciding on the spur-of-the-moment to bust into a liquor store (or similar venue) and immediately rob the cashier, yes I agree that Mr. Amped Up Robber will not pay any attention to what anyone is wearing.

    In terms of a disciplined predator (yes, they exist in large numbers), he absolutely takes time to assess the environment and the people inside before making his move. That includes noticing who is in the vicinity and the probability that they are armed or carrying valuables. We refer to that as “street smarts”.

    In light of the above, I believe that it is a bad idea to wear fanny packs as well as “photographer’s vests” (unless you are actually a photographer carrying camera gear). To each his/her own.

  9. If you want to know how a criminal selects their victim. Find podcasts featuring Dr William April. RIP.

    He did research on that subject. I’ve heard his interviews from years ago. Very educational.

    You need to learn how not to act like a victim.

  10. Hey hot shot.

    I’m not an asshat and I don’t wear these vests because they are a dead giveaway that you are likely carrying. Police know it, gun owners know it.

    I prefer to be discreet and the only time I want someone to know I have a gun if when it’s in my hand.

  11. Regardless of how we choose to dress, going armed or not, please focus your attention to your surroundings and away from the smart phones. See the bad guys, other CCLs or off-duty LEOs to maximize your options/safety.

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