If you can use your driver’s license in all 50 states, there’s no logical reason your concealed carry permit isn’t valid in the same way. The Constitution’s full faith and credit clause lays out that the various states much recognize each others judgements, acts, records, etc. That applies to things like driver’s licenses and marriage licenses, but…there seems to be an extra-constitutional carve-out for concealed carry permits.
President-elect Trump has announced that he’ll sign a national reciprocity bill if and when one hits his desk. If and when that happens, a lawsuit challenging the law will be filed by the gun control industry and various usual suspect state attorneys general before the ink is dry. So it seems this a question that will ultimately be decided by the judicial branch.
Toward that end, the Firearms Policy Coalition is getting the ball rolling with a challenge to New York’s refusal to allow citizens of other states who have carry permits to tote firearms while they’re in the Empire state.
Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced that it has filed a new federal lawsuit challenging New York’s ban on firearm carry by residents of other states. The complaint in Shaffer v. Quattrone can be viewed at firearmspolicy.org/shaffer.
“Citizens do not lose protection of their rights under the First Amendment’s speech or religion clauses when they cross state lines,” states the complaint. “Nor do they lose their protections under the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. Likewise, they do not surrender their Second Amendment protected rights when they travel outside their home state.”
“We will continue to teach Governor Hochul that the right to keep and bear arms doesn’t end at New York’s borders,” said FPC President Brandon Combs. “We look forward to ending New York’s immoral ban on carry by non-residents and allowing millions of peaceable people to exercise their rights as they visit the Empire State.”
The Shaffer case is part of FPC’s high-impact strategic litigation program, FPC Law, aimed at eliminating immoral laws and creating a world of maximal liberty. FPC is joined in the litigation by four FPC members. FPC thanks FPC Action Foundation for its strategic support of this FPC Law case.
My wife’s specialist is in Connecticut. That means driving through NJ, NY, and CT; all gun-hating states. Low risk of being caught, but the consequences could be life-changing in a very bad way. So, I do not carry on those trips.
We have to make the trip at least 2x per year.
National reciprocity would be nice….for all of us.
I kept my ccw unloaded in the trunk while in NJ. After leaving, I stopped at an IHOP in PA at night. I got my carry out, loaded it, chambered a round, and holstered it in the parking lot right before walking into IHOP. I was hoping no one was watching that haha.
Note to restaurants in that vicinity:
Put up a sign. “Coming from Jersey? Stop here to tool up. Free cup of coffee!”
“National reciprocity would be nice….for all of us.”
I just realized something –
Trump 2.0 is gonna be even more MASSIVE for gun rights than Trump 1.0, for this reason –
They finally realize they have to cater to the working class, and the working class *loves* it’s guns. Most of the opposition to gun rights comes from the billionaire Leftist Scum ™, and for good reason. The King fears above all else the pheasants coming after him with pitchforks and burning torches to lynch his sorry royal ass.
We can leverage this politically to our advantage… 😉
Garish has a relative ( an in-law) with whom there is a mutual dislike. This relative happens to be a NY State Trooper. This Trooper inherited property that crosses the NY/PA boundary. When Garish visits (his wife insists) he wears his Colt. He will walk right up to the state line, in full view of his Trooper in-law, and begin a conversation. Then, he moves like he is going to step over the line, stops, and grins. He removes his holster, takes it back to the car, and locks it in the trunk. His in-law thinks he is a jerk, which only encourages Garish. His wife has given up trying to make nice.
I heard the Trooper is going to sell the land and retire. It is worth a lot of money.
National reciprocity is something we should not even be discussing since reciprocity should be understood by all just like driver’s licenses and marriage licenses’ and so many other things. However, do not be surprised when President Trump signs a bill that there will be attempts to make every place a ‘sensitive place’ and navigating through many of these wimp states will be nigh near impossible.
Illustration of the sickness: A local POTG friend ask his sister, an attorney, if she would want him to save her if a thug was attempting to murder her and she replied NO.
Hush,
There is no doubt you are correct. The left never stops attacking, never stops trying to undermine the foundations that made this country wealthy and (at one time) free.
I have a sister like that. She has not returned any of my phone calls these past 8 years.
“do not be surprised when President Trump signs a bill that there will be attempts to make every place a ‘sensitive place’ and navigating through many of these wimp states will be nigh near impossible.”
Not gonna happen. thanks to ‘Bruen’. They may try, but they won’t win.
I’m looking forward to legally carrying my .357 snubbie in Times Square, NYC…
Ya wanna decrease the left wing anti-gun population so less votes in the next election? Make nationwide constitutional ‘permit-less’ carry a thing. As manic and mentally ill unstable and ignorant as they are now over reciprocity, nationwide constitutional carry with no permits at all would probably drive them over the edge to suicide to escape their imaginary danger.
We have constitutional carry here, no permit needed but you can get one if you want one. But, i know some guys who would get a permit if the girl in the pic came with it.
Here in Louisiana I am covered 3 ways: 1. I have a permit, 2. I am a veteran and a permit is not required and 3. we now have pertmitless carry. # 2 is of little value out of state, but in my case I have no plans to leave the state and have the permit if I do.
I plan to keep the permit for credibility reasons and the fee for senior citizens is reduced by 50% to $62.50 for a 5 year permit.
Oh, I am 82 today and am definitely a senior citizen.
“President-elect Trump has announced that he’ll sign a national reciprocity bill if and when one hits his desk.”
A national reciprocity bill will never land on Trump’s desk: such a bill will never overcome the U.S. Senate’s 60-vote cloture rule and thus the bill will never pass through Congress.
The only way national reciprocity happens is if the U.S. Supreme Court mandates it.