What We Really Need for Effective Self-Defense: Reliable Non-Lethal Incapacitation

Recently, Shooting News Weekly shared a quote from Open Source Defense. In short, they called for technological improvements in guns to make them easier to shoot, have higher capacities, and otherwise be more useful for the average human. I agree with the idea that weapons should continue to improve as technology advances.

On the other hand, humans have a tendency to get stuck in a paradigm that keeps us from moving on to better technologies. For example, there’s the famous quote from Henry Ford: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” The automobile was a radical departure from using animal power to get around, and is better for nearly all use cases. But few had imagined that at the time.

To avoid that trap, I propose the industry should set goals and then determine what technologies need to be further developed or created from scratch to meet those goals. This kind of leadership by objective isn’t perfect, but it can help us avoid seeking “faster horses” in the gun world.

One of the biggest things anti-gunners misunderstand is the alleged desire among gun owners to kill people. While there are always a few nutters who fantasize about having an excuse to kill another human being (we can call them the “I wish an MF’er would” crowd), the vast, vast majority of gun owners only want to be able to stop a threat to their lives and those of people they care about.

If it were possible to stop the threat consistently and reliably without the attendant tragedy of ending another human life, that’s what virtually all of us would choose. We have some tools designed for non-lethal incapacitation, but sadly, They’re not realiable enough for life-and-death situations. TASER darts don’t always stick and things like OC spray can be affected by wind, sunglasses, the influence of drugs, etc. That’s why such weapons aren’t good answers to the threat of death or grievous bodily harm. We just can’t take a chance on them not working.

Still, we try to find ways to avoid needing to kill someone. Non-violent dispute resolution tactics like Verbal Judo are widely taught in the firearms community. Farnam’s “Rule of Stupids” (avoid doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places) has long been taught to people who want to carry a gun for self-defense. Avoiding situations where you might need to use a gun entirely is the key here.

In the long run, it’s my hope that the industry takes this to heart as it seeks to improve weapon designs and invent new tools for self-defense. Instead of a faster horse — a gun that’s easier to shoot and throws more pieces of metal around — what we really need is something like Star Trek phasers. On one setting, people in that fictional world can reliably knock most threats out when it’s appropriate. The option to kill, however, is still available when it’s absolutely necessary. Kirk’s phaser was also good as a powerful cutting tool, a signal, a source of heat, and many other uses.

We’re probably nowhere near such a weapon yet, but it’s a good north star to guide the industry. Reliable incapacitation might not come from an energy weapon like we see in science fiction, but whatever the path it is that leads in that direction, we should focus on finding it.

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34 thoughts on “What We Really Need for Effective Self-Defense: Reliable Non-Lethal Incapacitation”

  1. Yup. It’d be nice to incapacitate an assailant and not have the mess of injury, death, retaliation, lawsuits, PTSD, etc….

    I absolutely guarantee if such a thing existed “yoots” would be using it for robberies and games because it’s “safe” so blue states would begin passing bans on it leaving us right back where we are now. An epidemic of kids stunning each other to teabag them for the ‘gram. When I was living in a blue city in a blue state there were laws prohibiting less-than-lethal ammunition for us poor unwashed masses. If you kicked in my front door I’d much rather hammer you with a beanbag or rubber slug than explode you all over the room with 00 buck but the state says I can’t so entrails on the wall it is.

    Maybe those laws have since changed but at the time they did exist and they existed because of the very reason I indicated. “Yoots” would use them irresponsibly. Or so the fear was. To my knowledge there never were any actual incidents of this occurring.

    1. That’s what would happen all right. But I think it’s self-correcting. First, the yoots using them on each other would either know by instinct or quickly learn to do it “safely”, such as on grass or while seated in theaters, because doing it to your buddy on his skateboard would have consequences, just as kids know to not jump off roofs or out of trees. The few who aren’t that bright already have enough stupid ways to kill themselves (surfing moving cars).

      More important, if stun phasers were a thing, anyone using them in a bank or convenience store or other semi-crowded public place would quickly find themselves stunned in turn.

      The biggest danger would be yoots and road ragers using them on other drivers and causing accidents. I can fantasize about embedding wire mesh in windows to block EM waves from stunners, but people drive with windows down too often. There aren’t many shooting road ragers now, there wouldn’t necessarily be a lot more with stunning phasers, but I can easily imagine da yoots aiming to shoot passengers and not being aware of what was behind their targets.

      Which brings up the real problem if phasers were invented — how far does that beam travel? It would have to be a wide beam to disperse to harmless beyond, say, 50 feet, which means it would have some effect on those near the intended victims. But that’s getting beyond the topic too. I remember some science fiction stories with guns shooting nets and immobilizing foam, but those aren’t at all practical. One of my stories has my own fantasy self-defense gun, shooting special compressed bullets which begin expanding as soon as they leave the muzzle, turning into foot-wide disks within a foot or two, so that (a) they don’t travel far with all that air resistance, (b) they aren’t lethal unless fired in contact, (c) but they’d sting like crazy and be really distracting long enough for the shooter to escape or take more permanent actions. It was good enough for fiction.

    2. “I absolutely guarantee if such a thing existed “yoots” would be using it for robberies and games because it’s “safe” so blue states would begin passing bans on it leaving us right back where we are now.”

      Rapists will line up to buy it, as well.

      A real-deal Star Trek-like “Phase set on stun” will be a true horror is ever invented…

      1. And generally a “back the Blue” guy, but give the cops “phasers on stun” mode and anyone that looked “nervous” would be waking up in a cell with their rights being read to them. We’d need a million more jail cells and a million more courts.

  2. .40 cal Booger

    “While there are always a few nutters who fantasize about having an excuse to kill another human being…”

    Few? We saw thousands of left wingers with this fantasy, and some even tried to enact it, in the ‘no kings’ violence about a month ago now and heck they were even bold enough to write it down for the public to see in their grafitti.

    1. Then there was the Shakespeare in the Park play featuring a Trump-like Caesar being assassinated, Snoop’s video fantasizing about murdering Trump, and that “comedian’s” fantasy about decapitating Trump, among others, all of which were widely cheered on by “peace and love” Democrats.

    2. No kings still going on just a rebrand to rage against the administration. Yeah still as retarded as you would think.

  3. .40 cal Booger

    All bullets are non-lethal, its the bad guy being in the path of the bullet that’s the problem.

    So if we get rid of the bad guys….

    😁

      1. .40 cal Booger

        Yep.

        These liberals, they make stuff up to complain about. And their screaming about it being about racist and eugenics with their made up crap is really a hoot given that their hero on abortion, Margaret Sanger, was a racist and very outspoken supporter of eugenics and founded planned parenthood.

        anyway, they lost it over this ad.

        Liberals Have To Complain About EVERYTHING…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9yIMf8gG5A

          1. Sydney Sweeney…

            Look up the video of her shooting at Tarin Tactical 5 or 6 years ago. She knows how to handle a gun. She also loves classic cars, AND she works on them herself! Amazing. This “controversy” will only make her much more popular. The angry uglies will be raging even more.

        1. Sanger and Planned Parenthood…

          The leaders in the German sterilization movement state repeatedly that their legislation was formulated after careful study of the California experiment as reported by Mr. Gosney and Dr. [Paul] Popenoe. It would have been impossible, they say, to undertake such a venture involving some 1 million people without drawing heavily upon previous experience elsewhere.” (2) Who is Dr. Paul Popenoe? He was a leader in the U.S. eugenics movement and wrote (1933) the article ‘Eugenic Sterilization’ in the journal (BCR) that Margaret Sanger started.

          Lothrop Stoddard even met personally with Adolf Hitler. William L. Shirer, an American colleague who had been in Germany since 1934, complained that the Reich minister for propaganda [Joseph Goebbels] gave special preference to Stoddard because his writings on racial subject were “featured in Nazi school textbooks.”

          Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, made Lothrop Stoddard a board member of the forerunner to PP (the Birth Control League). Why was the Birth Control League reconstituted as Planned Parenthood? The ‘Nazi smell’ of BCL was so bad, that some ‘cosmetics’ were required.

          1. .40 cal Booger

            Margaret Sanger’s extreme brand of eugenics…. had been defended aggressively by the left wingers up until about 2020 when such defense began to to be dissected time and time again and debunked to show that Margaret Sanger was indeed a racist and supporter and practitioner of eugenics. She just disguised it as ‘birth control’. One of Sanger’s most cherished initiatives was the ‘Negro Project’, which targeted predominantly black neighborhoods for birth control programs, not the kind we have today with pills and the sort as the goal but rather sterilization was the goal behind the program and thousands were sterilized. It was specifically targeting the black community for extermination.

            Sangers “My Way to Peace” (1932) presents Sanger’s eugenics platform. It argues that to preserve racial hygiene, the government should enact three coercive measures. First, it should sterilize those with mental and physical disabilities, including ‘morons, mental defectives, epileptics.’ Second, it should segregate on state-run concentration farms a much broader public of impoverished and criminal citizens, including paupers, prostitutes, drug addicts, illiterates and the unemployed. If the second group reformed its behavior and accepted sterilization, it could return to mainstream society. By Sanger’s own estimate, 15 million to 20 million citizens would live under this regime of segregation and sterilization. The third initiative would be obligatory birth-control training for mothers with serious diseases, such as heart disease, in an effort to persuade them to renounce any future childbearing. This program was not about the “choice” that Planned Parenthood and the liberals and the pro-abortion-my-body-my-choice screamers worshiped Sanger as a hero for – it was far from ‘choice’ and one only need to look at the eugenics platform of Nazi Germany where it was put in wide spread use and expended to include even more to “preserve racial hygiene’ of the aryan race and was part of the drive behind enacting the holocaust to murder millions.

            Based upon Sangers efforts, 30 states enacted laws aligned with Sangers racism and eugenics concepts and at least 70,000 people in the United States were forcibly sterilized under the laws promoted by Sanger and her associates, and far more especially women on welfare and in prisons were surreptitiously forcibly sterilized.

            But in 2020, the Planned Parenthood apologists, who insisted that the charges of eugenicism and racism were false, were finally over whelmed when the black community its self started debunking and writings by Sanger were exposed after being hidden so many years by Planned Parenthood…when Planned Parenthood of Manhattan decided to remove the name Margaret Sanger from its headquarters and had encouraged other Planned Parenthood affiliates to do the same. They cited Sanger’s eugenicism and racism as the motives for this dethronement of the founder of the Birth Control League and its successor, Planned Parenthood.

            Margaret Sanger was indeed a racist and supporter and practitioner of eugenics.

  4. It’s very difficult to kill a human being outright. Just as it is very difficult to put some to sleep instantly.

    There are numerous examples of criminals killing the defender, before they bled out. Same for knocking some one out. You might knock them down. But it takes a few moments for the person to lose consciousness.

    The human body is very resilient. Technology has yet to figure out a way to overwhelm it. Without overwhelmingly destroying the body completely.

    I like the thumbnail.

    In the first season of 1960s Star Trek. The Enterprise was flooded with a knock out gas. But the bad guy ran out of the room holding his breath.

    From the episode “the space seed.”

    So much for 24th century technology!!!

    Big(smile)

  5. Future blasters? “Set for stun.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBgsk3-3xb4

    One of the biggest things anti-gunners misunderstand is the alleged desire among gun owners to kill people.

    This is somewhat correct. The problem is that they don’t *try* to understand anything, which becomes extremely apparent every time they flaunt their ignorance about firearms.

    1. I don’t want to kill any one, but I learned right-quick-and-in-a-hurry sometimes that’s the only way to stop them from killing loved ones or you.

      I don’t understand where people get this ‘romanticized’ notion of ‘oh, shoot to wound’ or ‘oh, call 911’ … when the threat is bearing down on your family members or another person or you and you or they are going to die or be very seriously injured if you don’t stop it you are not thinking about picking body parts to wound or calling 911 or if that threat lives or dies or any of that other BS these ignorant anti-gun or other ignorant people come up with.

      If that threat gets shot and wounded or dies, that’s the position they put themselves in and it was their choice to press their attack and harm.

  6. uncommon_sense

    A “stun” gun (ala Star Trek phasers) is a VERY long way off simply because they have to somehow overwhelm the attacker’s brain even if you “hit” your attacker in the lower abdomen. I am not immediately aware of any biological mechanism to do that.

    First things first: we need to identify a biological mechanism which will overwhelm an attacker’s brain even if you apply the mechanism to an attacker’s extremity or lower abdomen. Once we identify such a mechanism, we can figure out how to make a small/portable contraption which applies it.

    1. .40 cal Booger

      Well, if the attacker is a liberal female evidently you can overwhelm their brain if you play the American Eagle Sydney Sweeney jeans ad on your cell phone. There ya go, “a small/portable contraption which applies it”.

      🤣

  7. .40 cal Booger

    SCOTUS case to watch: Louisiana vs. Callais – this is a case dealing with racial gerrymandering and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution, as applied under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. Since the 1960’s the democrats have been creating Black congressional districts by gerrymandering, this has been the reason they have been able to win elections for congress to gain majority of, or significant seat number in, congress – they have been cheating by specifically exploiting race by racism for racial gerrymandering over time to redraw districts filled mostly with black democrat voters while excluding white or republican voter populations and this has given them seat numbers they other wise would not have had. Now granted, gerrymandering for both parties happens, but the democrats have been doing it on a racism basis to rig election outcomes for both congress seats and (somewhat for) presidential races but mainly for congressional seats. If SCOTUS strikes down Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act the democrats are done, they would not be able to gain control by majority number of seats (possibly for the next 100 years) and possibly not win another presidential election for many years (for example, the democrats racial gerrymandering is what won the election for Biden, and gave democrats a majority in congress.)

  8. .40 cal Booger

    Cheatle’s Clearance Yanked: Secret Service Finally Dumps Dead Weight After Trump Fiasco.

    https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2025/08/02/secret-service-director-cheatle-wont-have-security-clearance-renewed-johnson-n2416632

    [note: Federal government security clearances are ‘periodically’ ‘renewed’ by, basically, whats called a ‘periodic re-investigation’. For top secret clearances this happens every five years and for secret/confidential/trust-determinations clearances this happens every 10 years. Certain positions in government continue to have their security clearances after leaving government service, and these get ‘renewed’ according to schedule even though the person is no longer in government service – some government positions do no have their clearances ‘renewed’ after leaving government service, for example, military (except some in top level or special positions) usually do not have their clearances renewed and when their military service ends so does their security clearance. So when you see the thing about security clearances ‘renewed’ or ‘not renewed’ this is what they are talking about, the government can choose not to ‘renew’ a security clearance by specifically putting a stop to the ‘periodic re-investigation’ for the clearance OR removing the security clearance.]

  9. .40 cal Booger

    “What We Really Need for Effective Self-Defense: Reliable Non-Lethal Incapacitation”

    No, we don’t, and here is why.

    The ability to ‘incapacitate’ by some ‘hand held’ means, already exists for criminal elements and has through all of history, its called ‘clubs’ and ‘sharpened/edged/pointed’ and ‘brute force’, and in more recent history various chemical means, for example, drugs or pepper spray or simply brute force that’s not lethal. There is nothing ‘Reliable Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ in some form of ‘stunning’ manner (ala ‘star trek phaser’ or other type of ‘energy’ something) that would not be re-producible in the technology by criminal elements.

    In the emotional-thinking brain it would be a good thing to incapacitate an attacker instead of the chance of killing them with a firearm. But in reality, such would only add to the ability of criminal elements increase victim count – and if you do not believe that – an example; just investigate the number of women that were forced into submission to be raped by use of current day ‘Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ means of, say, pepper spray and drugs (i.e. ‘date rape’) or brute force that require the attacker to be basically more up-close and personal to subdue their victims then think what would happen if at a distance of several feet to maybe longer distances they could use ‘Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ on their victims before they got close enough to them and the victim has zero chance of reacting because they are incapacitated before the attacker gets more up-close or even sees them.

    In short, anything ‘Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ would spread like wildfire through the criminal elements world. Already today, contrary to anti-gun, firearms are used in less than 12% of crime overall, specifically because not all criminals like to use firearms in their crimes and prefer other non-firearm weapons. Now think what would happen if there was suddenly a non-firearms ‘Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ weapon of say a ‘stunning’ type (ala ‘star trek phaser’ or other type of ‘energy’ something) these could get their hands on and be able to use it from a distance first instead of getting closer to the victim like they do now with non-firearms weapons – the crime rate would go through the roof, because right now whats holding these back is that they do need to get closer to their victims which is not always an easy task as the risk the victims trying to fight or flee or resist making it more difficult, so a ‘Non-Lethal Incapacitation’ weapon of say a ‘stunning’ type (ala ‘star trek phaser’ or other type of ‘energy’ something) would only make it easier for them.

    1. .40 cal Booger

      Clarification for: “…firearms are used in less than 12% of crime overall…”

      This is more firearms related than actual use of 12%.

      Based upon FBI data and National Crime Victimization Survey data aggregated (2024 – date of this post ….. it breaks down like this: ~3% threatening to use a firearm but no firearm was shown and later found perpetrators not actually in possession of a firearm — ~2% brandishing and threatening but no shots fired — ~1.7 % fake guns i.e. replicas or toy guns or BB/pellet guns — ~4.8% firearm actually fired.

      * ‘crime overall’ includes mass/school incidents

      note for: ‘threatening to use a firearm but no firearm was shown and later found perpetrators not actually in possession of a firearm’ & ‘fake guns i.e. replicas or toy guns or BB/pellet guns’ – in many states the threat of using a firearm if the perpetrator does not have a firearm is still charged as a firearms related crime, for example, armed robbery or aggravated assault ‘with a firearm’ and prosecuted as if an actual firearm was used, its the same for use of a fake firearm. When you see anti-gun present their stats and studies of firearm use, its always implied, and falsely assumed in their studies, that all of firearms related charges are always an actual firearm use when in realty it isn’t. In reality only about 6.8% of of overall crimes a firearm was actually used.

      note: ‘2024 – date of this post’ – and using historical archived data its about the same for previous years, varies maybe 1% or 2% in a few years but has hovered right around 12% for the last 30 years.

  10. One company is advertising a gun that shoots tear gas and kinetic rounds to incapacitate an attacker. If it will take down an angry linebacker, what will it do to a teenager? What it the teen is hit in the eye or the throat?

  11. I just bought a Byrna, because I have relatives in the Soviet Socialist State of Maryland.
    Shoots damn nice! Solid shot and tear-gass/ pepper spray pellets, too.

    1. .40 cal Booger

      here’s the thing about Byrna – it doesn’t actually cause a ‘more assured stop’ of the attacker. Its more of a slow and hinder deter thing, and the effects of that can vary as some can push through getting hit with “Solid shot and tear-gass/ pepper spray pellets” and still press the attack long enough to do harm or inflict serious injury. It’s designed to deter, not neutralize or stop an armed attacker – deterrence depends on the willingness of the attacker to not continue, if the deterrence factor is a firearm that’s different from a Byrna as an attacker most likely knows they can die with the firearms use where as with Byrna its less likely they will die and they may be more willing to push though with the Byrna and press the attack. There have been many cases of taser and pepper spray use where the attacker still pushed though to inflict serious injury and even death upon the victims, and although there have been cases where firearms wounded the attacker and the attacker still pushed though to press the attack its different because each round has the capability to ‘stop’ rather than just deter and Bryna just doesn’t have that.

      And the thing about ‘Less Legal Risk’ if you use a Byrna – not really less, just different. Because it does fire a ‘projectile’ it can still be treated as though a ‘firearm weapon use’ in law in many states depending on the circumstances if there is some type of harm caused that exceeds or is outside or happens as a result of that needed to deter an attacker. For example, if you use it and others are nearby and one of those bystanders has a serious allergic reaction to the pepper spray in the air its possible you could still be held criminally or civilly liable for that ‘injury’ the same as you would have been if a bullet you fired struck an innocent bystander. Then having to use it indoors around very small children or infants, the chemical residue in the air from pepper spray can detrimentally affect them.

      1. .40 cal Booger

        Byrna and Byrna users like to think that Byrna is a solution for every situation of attack – its not. For example, Byrna has a video they showcased they called ‘If they only had a Byrna: Store Owner Attacked by Crazed Individual’…but when you look at the video and the mode of attack and think about it, a Byrna would have been useless because the attacker already had their hands on the victim from behind and had complete physical control of the person already. And maybe a firearm use here too would not have worked, but the attacker knocked the person to the ground too thus more chance to deploy a firearm to stop because using a Bryna at that close range would not have rendered the deterrence needed quickly enough even with kenetic rounds because they do not cause damage enough to keep body parts from functioning so and would have been useless in that attack.

        this is the video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL-pMx7eec0

  12. “Avoiding situations where you might need to use a gun entirely is the key here.”

    You mean like, go to church instead of a bar, or maybe stay home instead of going to a demonstration of loonies? I’m likely to recommend that too, but if recent headlines are correct, then even those places aren’t necessarily safe any more. If taking a knife to a potential gun fight is folly, then how much more so a rubber band shooter, or a can of burglar spray?

    http://www.creekbank.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Far-Side-ON-off.jpg

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