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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/crime-and-punishment/butterfield-effect-hits-the-trace-hard-as-they-try-to-reconcile-lower-crime-higher-gun-ownership/comment-page-1/#comment-190779&quot;&gt;.40 cal Booger&lt;/a&gt;.

correction for: &quot;...the number of black people increased but the average income for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners,...&quot;

should have been...

...the number of black people increased but the county average income figure for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners,..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/crime-and-punishment/butterfield-effect-hits-the-trace-hard-as-they-try-to-reconcile-lower-crime-higher-gun-ownership/comment-page-1/#comment-190779">.40 cal Booger</a>.</p>
<p>correction for: &#8220;&#8230;the number of black people increased but the average income for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>should have been&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;the number of black people increased but the county average income figure for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners,..</p>
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		By: .40 cal Booger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2026 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But like Butterfield before him, The Trace’s Mendelson doesn’t (or refuses to) see the possibility that the expansion of gun ownership in America — along with making it far easier to carry one legally — might be at least a contributing factor in the historic reduction in crime.&quot;

&quot;expansion of gun ownership in America — along with making it far easier to carry one legally&quot; IS &quot;a contributing factor in the historic reduction in crime.&quot;

&#039;contributing factors&#039; for stuff are often ignored and not quantified because the effect of the factor, although present, is not [explored to be] clearly defined or known in clear quantifiable terms or is simply ignored thus not addressed. All anti-gun studies use this to their advantage by leaving out &#039;confounding variables&#039; and other things to bias the conclusion.

A real life story about contributing factors - basically: We used to live in a very crime ridden section of democrat governance hell. It wasn&#039;t always that way, when we first built our home in that unincorporated area, along with many others, it was nice, peaceful. But it was also near the state line and right across the state line was a city eaten up with criminal gangs. So it came to pass that democrats seized control of the county commission and governance, and one of their goals was to &#039;racially balance&#039; the county because some way or another there wasn&#039;t enough black people and this was racist &#039;cause &#039;white privilege&#039;. Now keep in mind here, before the democrats, while under republican governance, the county already had a ratio of 2 black people for every white person, 2:1 and the average black person annual income in the county was greater than $75,000.00, we had like maybe a dozen family&#039;s county wide that were on some form of public assistance. We didn&#039;t really have any crime to speak of in the county maybe some car thefts occasionally and sometimes an assault here and there when people got mad at someone else and and some general rowdiness and arguments resulting in arrest and no one had been raped or murdered in the county for many years and there was like one robbery or home invasion like once a year and the victims never got harmed seriously but sometimes pushed around a little. But, the now completely democrat county governance decided the county needed &#039;low income housing&#039; for all these black people they wanted to &#039;racially balance&#039; the county with. So with their influence at state level managed to dedicate some county land in our area to &#039;low income housing&#039; and it got built. We had everything we needed locally in our unincorporated area - we had nice homes, peace, no crime issue really overall, grocery store, convenience stores, shopping areas, and anything else we needed we could go to the city next door (in our own state, not across the state line). But we did not have our own police department and relied on the county sheriff, had a volunteer fire department - our family&#039;s were safe, woman and children of any race could be out in public and they were safe. Homes in our area, the newer ones like when we built, started at $300,000.00 for smaller homes and our area but the area was racially mixed for the homes in the area. I guess you could say that overall our area was &#039;affluent&#039; but was racially mixed - the democrat county governance could not stand this, surely this was evidence of &#039;white privilege&#039; and &#039;wealth hording&#039; and those black home owners being &#039;uncle toms&#039; - so the democrat county government decided that our area was the perfect place for &#039;low income housing&#039; .

Yeah, well, the gangs across the state line in that city, another democrat strong hold, decided they needed &#039;low income housing&#039; they were being invited to inhabit as if the &#039;low income housing&#039; they inhabited across the state line was no longer suitable for them. And the democrat county governance specifically encouraged them to move in - and before long our crime rate went sky high. Robberies and home invasions became common, rapes and assault and even some murder, people assaulted in their own front yards, gang graffiti appeared all over the place, it got so bad at one point that even the post office stopped delivering every day and went to a once a week delivery and then had a fire team of U.S. Marshalls in a trail car, UPS and Fed EX stopped delivering and we would need to travel 30 miles to a pick up spot at a store to get our packages. We joked about &#039;if you go grocery shopping then take a fire team with you&#039; but it was a dark and grim joke because it was reality that one might want to consider actually doing that - the gangs staked out any shopping areas. We had a &#039;may issue&#039; regime at the time and it was difficult to impossible to get a carry or ownership permit. This was all before constitutional carry and &#039;shall issue&#039; came to the state, and before we could rid ourselves of democrat county governance. But things changed, about the same time constitutional carry and shall issue came we also voted the democrats out of office. But the effect of the constitutional carry was that more people now had guns suddenly, and they used those guns to shoot the gang members when they committed their crimes - the crime rate dropped greatly and although not at the almost non-existent levels like it was previous the gangs the gun owners had reclaimed their community and the county from crime and the gang members were much more reluctant to pull their stuff in our area or in the test of the county and moved to the town next door to us where their police department handled it by sometimes having to shoot them but mostly by getting them prosecuted and convicted and being prosecuted AND convicted for their for their crimes, or being shot for it, was something new to them as back across the state line in that other city they were rarely arrested and the citizens didn&#039;t shoot them very much because they had been mostly disarmed by anti-gun policies. 

But, the effect of the democrat &#039;racial balancing&#039; and gang crime was that property values went down, the number of black people increased but the average income for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners, and the number of family&#039;s on public assistance increased to where almost 25% of the black population families are on public assistance of some type. I and others ended up with several DGU&#039;s. Had to sell our house and land at a loss, as did hundreds of others, just to get out of the area before we ended up dead at the hands of gang members, property values would never come back. The county said they were going to take it by &#039;imminent domain&#039; to force the rest of the people out so they sold too like the rest of us did when a company came in and bought it all and bull dozed it all down and then turned around and sold the land to the county which that democrat county governance was going to use for more &#039;racially balancing&#039; low income housing - but never got the chance because they got voted out of office and republicans voted in by mostly black people but it was too late even though its a republican county governance. But that area today is a very nice county park and not &#039;low income housing&#039;.  

Of course we no longer live there, have not in years, we built a new home elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But like Butterfield before him, The Trace’s Mendelson doesn’t (or refuses to) see the possibility that the expansion of gun ownership in America — along with making it far easier to carry one legally — might be at least a contributing factor in the historic reduction in crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;expansion of gun ownership in America — along with making it far easier to carry one legally&#8221; IS &#8220;a contributing factor in the historic reduction in crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;contributing factors&#8217; for stuff are often ignored and not quantified because the effect of the factor, although present, is not [explored to be] clearly defined or known in clear quantifiable terms or is simply ignored thus not addressed. All anti-gun studies use this to their advantage by leaving out &#8216;confounding variables&#8217; and other things to bias the conclusion.</p>
<p>A real life story about contributing factors &#8211; basically: We used to live in a very crime ridden section of democrat governance hell. It wasn&#8217;t always that way, when we first built our home in that unincorporated area, along with many others, it was nice, peaceful. But it was also near the state line and right across the state line was a city eaten up with criminal gangs. So it came to pass that democrats seized control of the county commission and governance, and one of their goals was to &#8216;racially balance&#8217; the county because some way or another there wasn&#8217;t enough black people and this was racist &#8217;cause &#8216;white privilege&#8217;. Now keep in mind here, before the democrats, while under republican governance, the county already had a ratio of 2 black people for every white person, 2:1 and the average black person annual income in the county was greater than $75,000.00, we had like maybe a dozen family&#8217;s county wide that were on some form of public assistance. We didn&#8217;t really have any crime to speak of in the county maybe some car thefts occasionally and sometimes an assault here and there when people got mad at someone else and and some general rowdiness and arguments resulting in arrest and no one had been raped or murdered in the county for many years and there was like one robbery or home invasion like once a year and the victims never got harmed seriously but sometimes pushed around a little. But, the now completely democrat county governance decided the county needed &#8216;low income housing&#8217; for all these black people they wanted to &#8216;racially balance&#8217; the county with. So with their influence at state level managed to dedicate some county land in our area to &#8216;low income housing&#8217; and it got built. We had everything we needed locally in our unincorporated area &#8211; we had nice homes, peace, no crime issue really overall, grocery store, convenience stores, shopping areas, and anything else we needed we could go to the city next door (in our own state, not across the state line). But we did not have our own police department and relied on the county sheriff, had a volunteer fire department &#8211; our family&#8217;s were safe, woman and children of any race could be out in public and they were safe. Homes in our area, the newer ones like when we built, started at $300,000.00 for smaller homes and our area but the area was racially mixed for the homes in the area. I guess you could say that overall our area was &#8216;affluent&#8217; but was racially mixed &#8211; the democrat county governance could not stand this, surely this was evidence of &#8216;white privilege&#8217; and &#8216;wealth hording&#8217; and those black home owners being &#8216;uncle toms&#8217; &#8211; so the democrat county government decided that our area was the perfect place for &#8216;low income housing&#8217; .</p>
<p>Yeah, well, the gangs across the state line in that city, another democrat strong hold, decided they needed &#8216;low income housing&#8217; they were being invited to inhabit as if the &#8216;low income housing&#8217; they inhabited across the state line was no longer suitable for them. And the democrat county governance specifically encouraged them to move in &#8211; and before long our crime rate went sky high. Robberies and home invasions became common, rapes and assault and even some murder, people assaulted in their own front yards, gang graffiti appeared all over the place, it got so bad at one point that even the post office stopped delivering every day and went to a once a week delivery and then had a fire team of U.S. Marshalls in a trail car, UPS and Fed EX stopped delivering and we would need to travel 30 miles to a pick up spot at a store to get our packages. We joked about &#8216;if you go grocery shopping then take a fire team with you&#8217; but it was a dark and grim joke because it was reality that one might want to consider actually doing that &#8211; the gangs staked out any shopping areas. We had a &#8216;may issue&#8217; regime at the time and it was difficult to impossible to get a carry or ownership permit. This was all before constitutional carry and &#8216;shall issue&#8217; came to the state, and before we could rid ourselves of democrat county governance. But things changed, about the same time constitutional carry and shall issue came we also voted the democrats out of office. But the effect of the constitutional carry was that more people now had guns suddenly, and they used those guns to shoot the gang members when they committed their crimes &#8211; the crime rate dropped greatly and although not at the almost non-existent levels like it was previous the gangs the gun owners had reclaimed their community and the county from crime and the gang members were much more reluctant to pull their stuff in our area or in the test of the county and moved to the town next door to us where their police department handled it by sometimes having to shoot them but mostly by getting them prosecuted and convicted and being prosecuted AND convicted for their for their crimes, or being shot for it, was something new to them as back across the state line in that other city they were rarely arrested and the citizens didn&#8217;t shoot them very much because they had been mostly disarmed by anti-gun policies. </p>
<p>But, the effect of the democrat &#8216;racial balancing&#8217; and gang crime was that property values went down, the number of black people increased but the average income for black people dropped to around $40,000.00 because the black people being attracted in were lower wage earners, and the number of family&#8217;s on public assistance increased to where almost 25% of the black population families are on public assistance of some type. I and others ended up with several DGU&#8217;s. Had to sell our house and land at a loss, as did hundreds of others, just to get out of the area before we ended up dead at the hands of gang members, property values would never come back. The county said they were going to take it by &#8216;imminent domain&#8217; to force the rest of the people out so they sold too like the rest of us did when a company came in and bought it all and bull dozed it all down and then turned around and sold the land to the county which that democrat county governance was going to use for more &#8216;racially balancing&#8217; low income housing &#8211; but never got the chance because they got voted out of office and republicans voted in by mostly black people but it was too late even though its a republican county governance. But that area today is a very nice county park and not &#8216;low income housing&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Of course we no longer live there, have not in years, we built a new home elsewhere.</p>
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		By: Shire-man		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2026 12:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More guns = less crime is nice and all but not really worth much outside of correlation.
What is more valuable and provable is more guns != more crime. 
Especially when factoring in those &quot;enlightened&quot; nations that have tried their darndest to ban guns.
Leading to the conclusions that such measures are a)useless virtue signaling to buy the votes of morons or b)the intentional disarmament of a population that may wish to oppose a growing oppressive state. 
Probably both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More guns = less crime is nice and all but not really worth much outside of correlation.<br />
What is more valuable and provable is more guns != more crime.<br />
Especially when factoring in those &#8220;enlightened&#8221; nations that have tried their darndest to ban guns.<br />
Leading to the conclusions that such measures are a)useless virtue signaling to buy the votes of morons or b)the intentional disarmament of a population that may wish to oppose a growing oppressive state.<br />
Probably both.</p>
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